AA MD-80 in DFW

[justApilot]

twa 2 asa fo...

I guess I have lost touch....

I agree with the staple method, so why would I try to change things in your favor? I have that right. Again I had nothing to do with the way the integration went down. There was a committee for that and I was not a part of it, had I been maybe things would be different. You can point your finger at me all day long and say that it is my fault. But it is not. Remember there is no national seniority list, so ethics, professionalism, your congressman, the dirty underware gang and others have nothing to do with integrating seniority. It's business plain and simple as I see it. I am happy that you have found employment in aviation and wish you the best. Remember I don't know you from Adam and I will be the guy that says "hi" in passing in the terminals.

 

[Hagar17]

"During the merger, I didn't hear ONE AA PILOT stand up and say, "Hey let's try to have a fair merger with the TWA pilots and try to follow previous airline merger standards." "

Like the Ozark merger? Get real.

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

what

Ozark recieved DOH with I believe a 16% restriction on the wide bodies which they did not have.

Dont get real------Get informed!!!

 

[80drvr]

I hate to say that I foresaw the future, but our group recognized that mainline wages couldn't keep going up forever and that some resonable middle ground had to be realized. We made a resonable proposal to AMR to fly the MD-80s for a resonable wage, but APA went nuts and said that we were not qualified to fly a "jet". The APA flowbacks are experiencing just how qualified they are to fly our little "jet", the high failure rate and resignation rate of the flowbacks speak for themselves.

Get real...who are you kidding with this notion that you'd fly narrowbodies for peanuts ($80 = reasonable middle ground) to save the industry. You know what your motitvation is/was. Can't understand why the APA would go nuts....

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

I noticed we get no reply from Hanger17 for his outright lies..

 

[80drvr]

I noticed we get no reply from Hanger17 for his outright lies..

What were the outright lies?

 

[Hagar17]

Alcoholic? Don't you mean crack addict?

I noticed we get no reply from Hanger17 for his outright lies..

It's Hagar, numbnuts. Here's the FACTS:

from a ex-Ozark/TWA pilot:

1.) 10 year fence. Only dc-9 or b-727 flying for the Ozark pilots

2.) 16% captain jobs to Ozark pilots

3.) Ozark pilots to TWA only after all TWA f/o s upgrade to captain

4.) Ozark to bottom of TWA list

5.) Icahann to Ozark pilots, take it or we will shut it down

Dude, if your profile is accurate, get off this forum. This forum is for big boys. TWA dudes kill me. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, and TWA bought AA, they'd be rollin' out the big red carpets with a nice fat DOH seniority number for all of us AA guys. Give me a break. Grind your ax with ALPA. They're the ones that screwed you. I know TWA guys are pissed. I'd be pissed at the SITUATION, too, if I were in their shoes. But it's OVER!

Hag

 

[80drvr]

I hate to say that I foresaw the future, but our group recognized that mainline wages couldn't keep going up forever and that some resonable middle ground had to be realized. We made a resonable proposal to AMR to fly the MD-80s for a resonable wage, but APA went nuts and said that we were not qualified to fly a "jet". The APA flowbacks are experiencing just how qualified they are to fly our little "jet", the high failure rate and resignation rate of the flowbacks speak for themselves.

Hey 80 for 80, are you still willing to fly the 80 for 80. I guess that would actually be less than the CRJ. Maybe we can start a 70 for 70 movement. It's never too late for fresh ideas in the race to the bottom.

 

[80drvr]

Sure, i'll GLADLY fly it for $80 or even $70 an hour just to screw you AA$$holes out of a job. When will the APA recognize that Eagle pilots are competent JET airline pilots?

Sounds like we have a little chip on our shoulder. Just remember that someone will gladly fly your ride for less than you're paid...you're seeing it now w/ American Connection outsourcing.

I flew for Eagle prior to AA and didn't see the need to have my flying skills validated by another airlines union. It's business...the thing I find offensive in this industry is Sh***y wages and work rules.

 

[Hagar17]

Who said AE pilots aren't competent?

Sure, i'll GLADLY fly it for $80 or even $70 an hour just to screw you AA$$holes out of a job. When will the APA recognize that Eagle pilots are competent JET airline pilots?

First of all, to all the OTHER Eagle pilots, I have never heard a pilot at AA say that American Eagle pilots are not competent jet airline pilots. NEVER. Not letting you undercut (scab) us and captain our jets for basically free doesn't mean APA thinks you aren't aeronautically competent, it means we have a union that is trying its best (not always successfully, given our '03 TA) to protect its members. Sort of like that 16 year turd ALPA set you guys up with. Wherever you get the idea that APA thinks you aren't competent must come from somewhere, but I can assure you, it doesn't come from the average Joe AA line pilot. We ALL know jets fly at basically the same speeds, altitudes, and fly in the same weather regardless of whether they are silver or white. I will add this, however. If you believe some APA pilots DO think AE guys are inferior, hiring dudes with 500/100 won't help dispel that myth much, do you think?

Guys like you give all AE pilots a bad name. The AE guys I know are embarrassed by knuckleheads like you. Posts like yours make you look like the idiot you are.

Hag

scab : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

Hey Dumass, hangnail, or whatever... If you are a real AA pilot and have access to C&R on the APA website , look under this weeks postings and you will see the actuall integration method that was used for the OZ guys. If you have enough brains to comprehend the DOH with some fences, let me know so I can give you a hug......

back to the crack pipe....

 

[80drvr]

Hey Dumass, hangnail, or whatever... If you are a real AA pilot and have access to C&R on the APA website , look under this weeks postings and you will see the actuall integration method that was used for the OZ guys. If you have enough brains to comprehend the DOH with some fences, let me know so I can give you a hug......

back to the crack pipe....

Is DOH always "fair and equitable" by definition? As an example, if USAIR bought Jet Blue, would DOH be the way to go? You have to look at any merger in the context of the players involved.

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

I was not saying any integration was fair, but when some people, like hangnail, start misinforming other people I have to chime in and get the story straight. If you ask most Native AA pilots they will say what a raw deal the OZ guys got, so we say hey we will take the same deal...


The silence is deafening.....

 

[80drvr]

I was not saying any integration was fair, but when some people, like hangnail, start misinforming other people I have to chime in and get the story straight. If you ask most Native AA pilots they will say what a raw deal the OZ guys got, so we say hey we will take the same deal...


The silence is deafening.....

The same integration methodology that was a raw deal for the Ozark pilots might be a good deal for another pilot group in a different situation. It all depends on the specifics of the groups involved with the trasaction at the time. No two acquisitions are identical. That is why I brought up the fictitious example of USAIR buying JetBlue. If you were a senior B6 Captain, you probably wouldn't think DOH was a real good deal under the present circumstances.