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AA may start a Low-Fare Carrier

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http://nytimes.com/2003/11/07/business/07air.html

November 7, 2003
American Air May Start a Low-Fare Carrier
By EDWARD WONG

American Airlines is closely watching the attempts by its two largest rivals to start low-cost carriers and might eventually decide to start one of its own, its chief executive said yesterday.

Gerard J. Arpey, the chief executive, said during a breakfast meeting with industry analysts in Manhattan that executives at American were monitoring the efforts by United Airlines and Delta Air Lines to emulate the success of Southwest Airlines. Last April, Delta started Song and is primarily using it to try to capture market share from JetBlue Airways on routes from the Northeast to Florida. United, a unit of the UAL Corporation, said it planned to start its own low-cost carrier - called Starfish for now - next year and would run it from some of its hubs.

Those low-cost operations are intended to appeal mostly to leisure passengers. Mr. Arpey said American, a unit of the AMR Corporation, needed "our fair share of every leisure passenger, too.''

"We cannot have a disproportionate focus on business travelers at the expense of leisure passengers," he added. He said that American had been working on streamlining its main operation before seriously looking at starting a low-cost airline.

"You have to be sure in that in pursuing such a thing that you're truly creating something that is low cost" as opposed to just low fare, Mr. Arpey said after his presentation to analysts. He said that his company was watching as Delta and United were developing their new airlines and considering whether something similar would benefit American.

As recently as two weeks ago, about the time American reported its third-quarter earnings, Mr. Arpey and company spokesmen said starting a low-cost airline did not seem particularly viable. But his comments yesterday left the door open.

It is too early to tell whether Delta's Song venture will succeed. Delta does not break out separate numbers for Song in its financial reports. But it is marketing the low-cost airline aggressively, including opening a Song store last night in the SoHo neighborhood of Manhattan. That store is intended to appeal to young travelers and will showcase airline seats and Xbox game systems. Low-cost airlines started by traditional airlines have not fared well. Shuttle by United, Metrojet from US Airways and Continental Lite, as well as Delta Express, Song's predecessor, all failed, primarily because they could not achieve the same cost savings as Southwest. Wall Street analysts and industry experts are generally skeptical of new attempts.

"The track record is terrible," said Robert W. Mann, an airline consultant based in Port Washington, N.Y. "It's very difficult for large organizations to act like entrepreneurs. It's an organizational fact of life."

But Mr. Arpey's approach seemed reasonable for now, Mr. Mann said, because he seemed to be emphasizing that any attempt to start a low-cost airline would be one of many experiments being done at American to make the business profitable.

"He realizes that he really can't exclude any possibility, and he's got folks looking at different ways of solving the big problem," Mr. Mann said.
 
Way to jump on the breaking news Dumb
a#&! Why don't you wait till the whole story comes out.
 
mrvmo said:
Way to jump on the breaking news Dumb
a#&! Why don't you wait till the whole story comes out.

Next time I'll be sure to ask you first before posting. I can really learn from a Dale Carnegie type such as yourself.
 
Considering they just spent the last two years dismantling a low cost carrier in STL...:rolleyes:

There may be some innovative people in Dallas but they're not around DFW...TC
 
I have one too many everynight. Looking at that article Zonker posted - I'm a little tired of these so-called airline consultants stating the obvious. "Mr. Arpey's got folks looking at ways to solve the big problem." Goody! I just thought he had everybody concentrating on the way things used to be and hoping for the best! Thanks consultant man!
 
The problem is they have 20,000 people "looking" at the problem and no one has the balls to solve it.

If they could sell "Centerpork" and all the people in it and just let the people who work at AA do their jobs without three supervisors hovering around waiting to write them up for the slightest infraction, AA might actually make money.

AA has to be the most oversupervised company in the world.TC
 
AA has to be the most oversupervised company in the world.TC

I understand that AMR has One 'Manager' for every 35-40 employees. That is stifling. It is as if they do not trust "line dog" employees enough to allow any sort of flexiblity. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.
 
hostage said:
AA already has a low cost carrier..its called AA. and then they have another even lower cost one call Eagle

Actually, while low paid, Eagle is not a LCC....average CASM nearly twice that of a narrowbody mainline. But they generate yield under the old business model of carefully managing capacity and raping the business traveler. I don't know how effective this will be in the future with large LCC hampering efforts to control capacity and revenue.
 
Hostage--The only reason some of my friends are doing it is that our seniority from TWA carries over and we get 15 year pay. Otherwise, there are a bunch of jobs that pay more.TC
 
The official company line...

Dow Jones Story on AMR Inaccurate

A story in today's Dow Jones Business News carrying the headline "AMR CEO: Company Mulls Building Its Own Low-Cost Carrier," indicated that American "is watching the low-cost airlines that competitors Delta Air Lines Inc. and UAL Corp. are creating [and] may consider building one of its own."

This is an inaccurate conclusion drawn by the writer and does not reflect the statement by CEO Gerard Arpey in that same article: "'Thus far, what we've been focusing on, rightly or wrongly, is fixing the 750- jet airline problem, rather than starting a new airline,' he said."

The company has acknowledged for many months that starting a low-cost carrier is one of the hundreds of options it has looked at. But that option has never been a priority, and it is no more likely now than it has ever been.



The above was published by AMR.
 
hostage--Re:AA buying TWA--It seemed like a good idea at the time...:rolleyes: TC
 

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