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AA FA'S fight fatigue

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I am a flight attendant with American Airlines. In the last year, American has begun scheduling "reduced rest" layovers which provide for only eight hours off duty. This means that, at best, I am getting 5-6 hours of sleep. This is not enough -- particularly when it is sandwiched between two 12-14 hour duty days. I find myself so fatigued that I am unable to perform my safety and security duties.

This "rest" period begins shortly after the aircraft parks at the gate and includes getting to the front of the terminal, going through customs if on an international flight, waiting for transportation, riding to the hotel, checking-in and getting to the room. I then repeat this in reverse the next morning. This leaves relatively little time for my head to be on a pillow.

Flight attendants are inflight first responders. Our duties include tending to ill passengers, using defibrillators, fighting inflight fires, evacuating an aircraft after an emergency landing and since 9/11, additional security duties. It was an alert American Airlines flight attendant who noticed Richard Reid attempting to light his shoe laces to ignite the bomb in his shoes. For those like us in safety and security sensitive professions, not being alert can make the difference between life and death.

Flight attendants from multiple carriers have recently come to Capitol Hill with stories of an increasing number of incidents where their off-duty period is reduced to eight hours, the minimum "reduced rest" allowed under the current Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR's). Flight attendant duty and rest rules state that flight attendants should have a minimum of nine hours off-duty that may be reduced to eight hours if the following rest period is ten hours. While these rules have been in place for almost a decade, only recently have carriers begun scheduling flight attendants for less than nine hours off. Previously, nine hours was the least amount of scheduled off-duty and the "eight hours reduced rest" gave air carriers flexibility in scheduling to allow for air traffic, weather and other delays. The occasional "reduced rest" layover is becoming the norm.

The FAA needs to revisit these rules and develop ones that are in keeping with data that is available such as that on circadian rhythms, the effects of sleep deprivation and the effects of time zones changes. Using this information, carriers will still have a high degree of productivity while providing flight attendants with sufficient rest to perform their duties.





 
QueenLatifly said:





The FAA needs to revisit these rules and develop ones that are in keeping with data that is available such as that on circadian rhythms, the effects of sleep deprivation and the effects of time zones changes. Using this information, carriers will still have a high degree of productivity while providing flight attendants with sufficient rest to perform their duties.





The FAA doesn't seem too broken up about it happening to the pilots on a normal basis, and considering the effect that fatigue could have on their flying abilities, I wouldn't hold my breath that the Feds will give much thought to the folks giving the safety briefing in the back.

Still every little bit helps. They have largely ignored the same factors that you listed in the pilots case for the last 20 years, so maybe a bunch of P.O.ed F/A's will get their attention!
 
Not to be insensitive, but welcome to the real world. It's been like that at the regionals forever, and not just for F/A's, but for the pilots as well. There are nights where we are lucky to get 4 hours sleep, on a reduced rest. On Stand up's there are nights where you are lucky to get 1 hour sleep. I have slept on the a/c before because I knew if we went to the hotel we would have less that 30 minutes in the room. Next try doing it with 5 legs before the overnight, and looking forward to 7 legs the next day. I don't disagree with anything that you said in your post, but I guess I just think it's funny that you are just now figuring it out...

atrdriver
 
As others have said "welcome to reality". Our pilots and FA's have been doing that for years and years, but after 7-9 legs a day. Good luck getting the FAA too concerned about whats going on in the back if they think that it's O.K. for the pilots to operate under the same conditions. Would I like to see it changed? Sure, but probably won't happen for a long time. Any change that would prevent this would cost the airlnes more money that they don't have . You're going to have a hard time finding a politition that will campaign for this.
 
Sounds like you need a better contract.
 
As if we didn't have enough whiners on this site...

Go whine elsewhere.
Next thing you know, we'll have gate agents, box throwers and reservationists from India on here bitching.
 
Why would the airlines want you to have more rest on their dollar?
Why does the FAA see that 8 hours of rest, 16 hours of duty, and 8 hours of flight time is good enough for the crews? Because they have never had clean up, and lock up an airplane. Then hitch a crew van thats running 45 min. Wake up 2 hours early, just so that you don't miss a crew van going back to the airport and do it all over again for 5 days in a row.

Instead, they go home to their nice wamr beds at night, and shake their head in confusion when an accident or incident occurs. IMHO.
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Wayback .......AMEN!!!
 
Pilots are used to only 4 to 5 hours of sleep a night because we have spent most of our lives chasing FA's on short layovers.... I am just teasing. No doupt the FA in the back gets more fatigued in the back dealing with all they have to deal with. Mostly it is what we call short term fatigue and some good sleep will restore one to normality. What concern pilots and safety people is what we call long term fatigue which comes from compressiablity, stress, etc., etc. This has proven to be a factor in decision making, both shortterm and longterm.(why most pilots have 3 ex's)

How do you cope....good vitamins, excercise, and stay away from caffiene, alcohol,and sleeping pills. Your body will do the rest. Use earplugs and a "mask" when you sleep, take the phone off the hook. Pack two bags, one for the on road, and the other just for what you need for the short nights. Our contracts (both FA's and pilot's)give us at least 8.0 hours at the hotel from checkin to checkout, time spent waiting for the hotel bus doesn't come out of our rest. I feel for you as there is nothing harder than day after day of minimum layover.
 
Hugh Jorgan said:
Go whine elsewhere.
Next thing you know, we'll have gate agents, box throwers and reservationists from India on here bitching.
My name is Najib and I make the bagel sandwiches in the flight kitchen. I don't get to sit down for four hours straight. And my back hurts. And you guys want the food way too early. And it's too hot in here. And...
 
Queen--AA has had pretty cushy contracts over the past 20 years. Like some others have said, this is the new reality for the "majors" and has been the "real" reality for commuters and other airlines for some time now.

When TWA was forced to accept this type of contract in the '80's(due to the same type of market changes AA is experiencing now) the safety flag was raised. No one cared. The FA's adapted and life went on.

Your group will do the same. Some will leave the business but most will adapt. I'm flying corporate now. I recently did LAX-CPH with a two-pilot crew. I would have never considered that in my previous life. But, you do what you have to do these days.

Good luck, sounds like things are gonna get tighter.TC
 
QueenLatifly said:




I am a flight attendant with American Airlines. In the last year, American has begun scheduling "reduced rest" layovers which provide for only eight hours off duty. This means that, at best, I am getting 5-6 hours of sleep. This is not enough -- particularly when it is sandwiched between two 12-14 hour duty days. I find myself so fatigued that I am unable to perform my safety and security duties.

This "rest" period begins shortly after the aircraft parks at the gate and includes getting to the front of the terminal, going through customs if on an international flight, waiting for transportation, riding to the hotel, checking-in and getting to the room. I then repeat this in reverse the next morning. This leaves relatively little time for my head to be on a pillow.

Flight attendants are inflight first responders. Our duties include tending to ill passengers, using defibrillators, fighting inflight fires, evacuating an aircraft after an emergency landing and since 9/11, additional security duties. It was an alert American Airlines flight attendant who noticed Richard Reid attempting to light his shoe laces to ignite the bomb in his shoes. For those like us in safety and security sensitive professions, not being alert can make the difference between life and death.

Flight attendants from multiple carriers have recently come to Capitol Hill with stories of an increasing number of incidents where their off-duty period is reduced to eight hours, the minimum "reduced rest" allowed under the current Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR's). Flight attendant duty and rest rules state that flight attendants should have a minimum of nine hours off-duty that may be reduced to eight hours if the following rest period is ten hours. While these rules have been in place for almost a decade, only recently have carriers begun scheduling flight attendants for less than nine hours off. Previously, nine hours was the least amount of scheduled off-duty and the "eight hours reduced rest" gave air carriers flexibility in scheduling to allow for air traffic, weather and other delays. The occasional "reduced rest" layover is becoming the norm.

The FAA needs to revisit these rules and develop ones that are in keeping with data that is available such as that on circadian rhythms, the effects of sleep deprivation and the effects of time zones changes. Using this information, carriers will still have a high degree of productivity while providing flight attendants with sufficient rest to perform their duties.
Queen,

This has been going on for years at my former airline. As airlines try hard to maximize aircraft utilization, the people effected most are the flight crews. This fight has been going on for years by AFA going to Congress and telling them of the problems. As flight attendants, until we are backed by governmental regulations, which I do not see happening, this will continue.

As someone else said, this has been happening to the pilots for a long time. I do hear what you are saying though. We also had the flip flop of working a night flight and then having a 33 hour layover somewhere, only to get up in the morning at the same time we landed just a day before.

Good luck in the fight. It always took me about 2 days to fully recover after short layovers.

Kathy
 

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