AA Eagle ATR-72 crash in SJU????

[General Lee]

I just read on another board that an ATR72 or 42 crashed after landing in San Juan originating in the Virgin Islands. The plane supposedly blew a tire on landing and swerved and lost a wing! I believe 20 pax were hurt, but no one killed. The other board had the news flash but it was in Spanish. This is all I know and I read it on Airliners.net. Yikes!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PFTEXPJET]

it was a news blurb on the ticker @ msnbc today

 

[Skygod]

Remembering of course that first reports from non-aviation sources are often wrong, this is the latest news:


Tyre blowout causes plane crash
From correspondents in San Juan, Puerto Rico
9may04

AN American Eagle flight tipped and crashed after one of its tyres blew out upon landing today at San Juan's main airport, seriously injuring at least 11 people on board, authorities in Puerto Rico said.

The incident involving American Eagle Flight 401 occurred about 3.10pm [local time] Sunday at Luis Munoz Marin International Airport, Port Authority executive director Miguel Soto Lacourt said.
The ATR-72, carrying 22 passengers and four crew members, was on a flight from the west coast city of Mayaguez.

One of the tyres blew out after the plane touched down, and the aircraft lost its balance and tipped with one of its wings striking the runway, Mr Soto said.

The 11 injured, including the pilot, were taken to local hospitals. Their conditions were not immediately known, Mr Soto said.

Other people on the plane were treated at the scene for minor cuts and scrapes.

Police had previously reported that six people were injured and in stable condition.

One of the airport's two runways was shut down, but flights were arriving and taking off on the other runway.

The aircraft sustained "substantial damage", but the fuselage was intact, Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said.

The cause of accident was under investigation, she added

 

[General Lee]

I was close! The plane did blow a tire and swerved and DAMAGED a wing. I am glad nobody was killed.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Lequip]

Perhaps another woman FO who forgot to kick the nose straight on a x-wind landing just like FedEx down in MEM. I heard the FedEx 99er got the Axe.

 

[rk772]

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=280909

Here is a picture

 

[mckpickle]

The ATR is one tricky girl in a strong crosswind. The narrow wheel base makes it tippy and if the tire blew on the downwind side she would have been REAL tough to hang onto!!

 

[eaglefly]

Unsure if it was a -212 (don't think so).

The 212's six-blade props don't create as much drag as the -210's 4-blades.

If you flight idle a -210, you'd better be withing a foot or so of the runway, because the drag will insure you're "done flying".

5 feet up with a decent x-wind and yes a blown tire and directional control problems are a good bet.

 

[mckpickle]

I thought the 6 bladed props are on the 72-500. At COEX we had the 212's with 4 "simatar" blades. One A/C had the "auto" condition levers. That made landings nice because you'd touch down at 77% NP.

 

[Skygod]

N438AT (the 'plane in the picture) is an ATR-72-212. Forward cargo door, four-bladed props. After the Roselawn accident AMR gained 12 new ATR's with the six-bladed props and AUTO on the condition levers (N498AT and higher). These are designated ATR-72-212A, and are known as "Alpha's" within the American Eagle ATR community. Eagle also operates ATR-42-300's.

The ATR sits low to the ground, but looking at these pictures old '438AT is sitting REAL low. We will not know what really happened for a while.

 

[eagle1]

Eagle's newest 72s are the -212As which were later redesignated -500s. They offered similar improvements of the 42-500 such as six bladed props, better prop sync/managment, ANR, etc....

The airplane involved in this accident (this is an accident; substantial damage/serious pax injuries) was a -210 model. The details of what actually happened will be very interesting......

 

[eagle1]

SkyGod beat me too it....

 

[eaglefly]

Didn't see the picture, so I was unaware of which model.

One other thing to note about the -72 (as opposed to the -42) is that the main gear is beind the center of pressure on the wing at all C.G.'s.

Unlike the -42 when a sink rate develops in the landing attitude, you must us power to decrease the rate of descent instead of pitch. Increasing pitch to "check" (reduce) a descent rate will only result in a harder landing as you "drive" the mains on harder (nose up = maingear down but aircraft performance has not had enough time to "react" to attitude change).

If one were to get out of synch during flare, float to 5 feet or so, then reduce power to idle (4-blade props it WILL fall out of the sky) and finally attempt to save the landing with a strong pitch application, even that beefy maingear could fail.

It is RUMORED that the F/O was landing and he was just out of IOE.

 

[Looking4Traffic]

Too close to home!

Just a few months ago, my wife and I returned from a trip to Anguilla, BVI. Delta to San Juan, then Eagle to Anguilla. Our captain was a general in the San Juan Air Force (whatever that is) and near retirement. Real nice crew.

I'm told (by other Eagle guys) that the San Juan crews are pretty autonomous (i.e. less oversight then on the mainland.) You're either an "Island-guy" or you're just "passing through." Whatever the case, they were real nice and I hope everyone is okay.

 

[ChicoC17]

Our captain was a general in the San Juan Air Force (whatever that is) and near retirement. Real nice crew.


How About a General in the Puerto Rico Air National Guard?? San Juan Air Force uhmmm now that's funny.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Perhaps another woman FO who forgot to kick the nose straight on a x-wind landing just like FedEx down in MEM. I heard the FedEx 99er got the Axe.

Um, let's see, you bash anyone who paid for a rating (apparently someone else paid for all of your training becuase you're perfect)

you bash on women in the cockpit.


FUKC,

are you eurocentric, too?

anti-semitic?

Communist?



You should stick to the teletubbies board with the rest of the three year olds, lefu*k


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[lazy8s]

The scoop.....

From what I have heard from a friend sitting in SJC today (was there yesterday) the plane 'landed' so hard that it bounced a good 50 plus feet and then seems to have stalled or been blown off the side of the runway and came down on its left side, busting the wing off (see picture). The FO was flying and it was his 1st leg off IOE.

The FAA and NTSB are looking into it............




Lazy8s

 

[belchfire]

to quote one of my heros
"dude that really sucks a$$"

Ben Franklin, chill...I've read some
of your posts.

Hate to see any bent airplanes.

 

[deez_nutz2000]

Re: The scoop.....

From what I have heard from a friend sitting in SJC today (was there yesterday) the plane 'landed' so hard that it bounced a good 50 plus feet and then seems to have stalled or been blown off the side of the runway and came down on its left side, busting the wing off (see picture). The FO was flying and it was his 1st leg off IOE.

The FAA and NTSB are looking into it............




Lazy8s

So...your friend was in San Jose, CA and this happened in 2000+ nm away....and he knows exactly what happened? How does he know? And if this is true.....where the he11 was the di*^head in the left seat? Sounds like those eagle clowns could use some better training and sop's. Guy's first leg off IOE.....maybe they should train their PIC's a little better to take control of their aircraft when a guy with 20-some hours is at the controls. Maybe the lack of attrition at AE has caused a lot of complacency with captains handling the newhires......sounds like a good reason to steer clear of that $hithole. Few more of these incidents and they might never have to worry about newhires ever again.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Perhaps he meant San Jose Costa Rica....

Switch to decaf, it'll al be ok soon.