Ty Webb
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No. The car racing part is the funniest... If you know the real story.
surprised lear hasnt shut this thread down yet
Ummm... OK, I'll bite. Why not? We do it every day without a problem... Of course, we also use the autothrottles below 10,000 without a problem, which I also don't understand the issues with.Seriously, welcome aboard guys. When you meet Bob, ask him why you can't use flaps with speedbrakes. Then stand by for the f-bombs.
Ummm... OK, I'll bite. Why not? We do it every day without a problem... Of course, we also use the autothrottles below 10,000 without a problem, which I also don't understand the issues with.
Inquiring minds and all...![]()
Seriously, welcome aboard guys. When you meet Bob, ask him why you can't use flaps with speedbrakes. Then stand by for the f-bombs.
As previously noted, that is NOT a Boeing limitation on the 737.It's in the limitations under flight controls. In flight, do not use speedbrakes unless the flpas are fully retracted.
Doesn't really matter does it? Why don't you ask Bob on the first day of class. And while you're at it, complain about it a bunch. A lot of "but at the Tranny...." whining and , "Flying in the ATL is hhhaaaarrrrrrrrdddddddddd......." will get you far. No really, please do this! All of you!Just curious why Southwest doesn't allow it on their NG's, if it's a carry-over from the Classics and they don't want to intermix procedures for simplicity in training and line ops or if they have another reason for it.
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As previously noted, that is NOT a Boeing limitation on the 737.
We do it on a daily basis when we get slam dunked going into ATL (midfield abeam the airport at 7,000' then told "expect a short approach" and they turn you just outside the marker). Doesn't have anything to do with being unable to properly descent plan, some airports just expect you to operate like that.
Additionally, the amber SPEEDBRAKES EXTENDED light on the forward main panel doesn't come on unless the speedbrakes are extended AND the Flaps are in a landing setting (15-40). That light doesn't come on with flaps 1, 2, 5, or 10 with the speedbrakes out and there isn't a noticeable increase in vibration until you get to Flaps 10 with the speedbrakes out.
Just curious why Southwest doesn't allow it on their NG's, if it's a carry-over from the Classics and they don't want to intermix procedures for simplicity in training and line ops or if they have another reason for it.
Thanks, sorry for jumping the shark with the thread, we now return you to your instructional preparation for surrendering Captain's authority to the gate agents and flight attendants.![]()
Get used to learning how to descent plan then because you won't be using them at the same time in flight at SWA.
If your using them with flaps on a daily basis then your planning is poor at best. Yes I undertsand ATC can throw a curve ball once in a while. I still have never had the need to use speed brakes with flaps. Even for my poor planning. Or high at 6/7000 ft with a tight approach. Still can turn inside the marker without speedbrakes and be fine at 1000ft.