a new ALPA some ideas

[xjhawk]

some ideas i have about ALPA and our slide to the bottom.

1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly.

2 There should be a set minimum for seats and pay. That will take the companies abilitiy to use pilots pay as a way to lower costs to "compete".

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carriers.

If you agree with these reforms, please forward them to your ALPA rep. Something needs to be done with our race to the bottom. for those of you at the majors that think this problem is beneith you, remember, crap rolls down hill, but when it hits hard enough at the bottom, it splashes up to the top, with an end result of crap on everyone!

 

[Iflyamouse]

I have an idea ...

I know ... let's keep paying all the officers huge salaries while the pilots they represent all take pay cuts!!

I drew the line at $150K there are another 200+ ALPA employees making less than that. I will say that they have secretaries making Regional Captain wages. Total payroll was just shy of $40M.

Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards 2004 LM filings

Officers & Staff
Name Title Salary Benefits & Other Total Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 415,026 $ 135,703 $ 550,729
Jalmer Johnson Geneal Manager $ 376,472 $ 4,299 $ 380,771
Jonatha Cohen Chief Counsel, D $ 368,645 $ 2,312 $ 370,957
Bruce York Director Represe $ 347,331 $ 7,141 $ 354,472
Spyrido Skiados Director, Commun $ 300,728 $ 5,049 $ 305,777
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Financ $ 296,153 $ 1,528 $ 297,681
Paul Hallisay Director Govern $ 289,197 $ 4,556 $ 293,753
Kenneth Cooper Asst Dir Represe $ 276,422 $ 12,413 $ 288,835
James Johnson Managing Attorne $ 278,174 $ 7,075 $ 285,249
William Roberts Asst Dir Represe $ 277,428 $ 6,392 $ 283,820
Stephen Crable Asst Dir Represe $ 262,384 $ 9,253 $ 271,637
Jeffrey Small Sr Contract Admi $ 252,492 $ 11,238 $ 263,730
Eugene Granof Managing Attorne $ 258,504 $ 2,441 $ 260,945
Jerry Anker Managing Attorne $ 258,466 $ 1,586 $ 260,052
David Vance Director R&i $ 250,810 $ 3,129 $ 253,939
John O'brien Director Enginee $ 248,420 $ 2,447 $ 250,867
James Wilson Asst Dir Represe $ 241,223 $ 8,022 $ 249,245
Elizabe Koby Managing Attorne $ 240,722 $ 7,642 $ 248,364
Howard Hagy Dir Engineering $ 245,456 $ 1,782 $ 247,238
Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 220,224 $ 13,231 $ 233,455
Robert Nichols Sr Contract Admi $ 226,613 $ 3,778 $ 230,391
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contract Admi $ 227,915 $ 1,557 $ 229,472
Robert Bailey Sr Attorney $ 224,618 $ 1,994 $ 226,612
Ana Mcahron-schu Director Economi $ 209,022 $ 11,750 $ 220,772
Arthur Laflamme Sr Representativ $ 208,365 $ 5,521 $ 213,886
G Clayt Warner Sr Attorney $ 210,882 $ 741 $ 211,623
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Admi $ 210,306 $ 710 $ 211,016
Robert Christy Manager, Economi $ 202,360 $ 8,266 $ 210,626
Kevin Fitzpatrick Sr Contract Admi $ 206,588 $ 2,618 $ 209,206
Marcus Migliore Sr Attorney $ 207,066 $ 1,870 $ 208,936
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Admi $ 203,106 $ 5,610 $ 208,716
Steven Hodgson Sr Field Represe $ 200,557 $ 5,356 $ 205,913
Charles Murphy Director, Info T $ 194,433 $ 2,320 $ 196,753
Jan Briel Director, Human $ 195,528 $ 757 $ 196,285
Brendan Kenny Sr Legislative R $ 191,577 $ 3,935 $ 195,512
John Schleder Sr Contract Admi $ 190,866 $ 2,236 $ 193,102
Robert Plunkett Sr Contract Admi $ 190,383 $ 655 $ 191,038
Robert Lipsey Pension Inv Coor $ 183,037 $ 4,526 $ 187,563
William Elliot Sr Contract Admi $ 183,294 $ 3,769 $ 187,063
Elwyn Woody Sr Benefits Atto $ 175,181 $ 3,413 $ 178,594
Frank Voyack Sr Legislative R $ 171,447 $ 3,275 $ 174,722
Suzanne Kalfus Sr Attorney $ 169,672 $ 1,059 $ 170,731
Joan Bettenburg Sr Cont Administ $ 167,088 $ 793 $ 167,881
David Holtsman Sr Contract Admi $ 164,779 $ 2,696 $ 167,475
James Medley Manager, Sys Dev $ 166,749 $ 50 $ 166,799
James Connolly Field Represtati $ 160,437 $ 6,331 $ 166,768
Jim Stewart Air Safety Coord $ 160,101 $ 6,120 $ 166,221
Darrell Green Sr Contract Admi $ 165,027 $ 487 $ 165,514
Christo Beebe Vp Finance $ 0 $ 164,947 $ 164,947
Richard Harrell Manager, Info Te $ 164,366 $ 540 $ 164,906
Jeffrey Macdonald Supervisor Colle $ 161,944 $ 2,515 $ 164,459
Elizabe Ginsburg Sr Attorney $ 163,103 $ 1,052 $ 164,155
Paul Rice Vp Administrati $ 0 $ 162,562 $ 162,562
William Edmunds Human Performanc $ 159,272 $ 1,802 $ 161,074
Jane Schraft Sr Contract Admi $ 159,277 $ 1,358 $ 160,635
William Phanbuf Sr Staff Enginee $ 157,048 $ 3,084 $ 160,132
Jerry Wright Manager, Securit $ 158,694 $ 1,206 $ 159,900
Robert Stiegel Sr Staff Enginee $ 157,666 $ 1,006 $ 158,672
Don Mcclure Air Safety Coord $ 149,926 $ 5,828 $ 155,754
Everett Barber Contract Adminis $ 149,926 $ 4,114 $ 154,040
James Barnett Director, Info S $ 153,997 $ 0 $ 153,997
James Lobsenz Sr Attorney $ 152,943 $ 374 $ 153,317
J Gary Dinunno Supervisor, Maga $ 150,966 $ 1,008 $ 151,974
Richard Pavel Field Representa $ 146,567 $ 4,944 $ 151,511

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

some ideas i have about ALPA and our slide to the bottom.

1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly.

2 There should be a set minimum for seats and pay. That will take the companies abilitiy to use pilots pay as a way to lower costs to "compete".

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carriers.

If you agree with these reforms, please forward them to your ALPA rep. Something needs to be done with our race to the bottom. for those of you at the majors that think this problem is beneith you, remember, shoot rolls down hill, but when it hits hard enough at the bottom, it splashes up to the top, with an end result of shoot on everyone!

xjhawk,

Nice ideas...maybe... but you gotta post the HOW. ALPA is not a fund manager. So how do you suggest this be done.

#2. How do you suggest we set minimum pay?

#3. How will you or we get non ALPA to conform? Banning people from joining? that is not how you make an organization stronger!

What did your ALPA rep say when you proposed these ideas?

Rezfully yours.....

:beer:

 

[rtmcfi]

How do you suggest we set minimum pay?

How will you or we get non ALPA to conform

Minimum pay.....How about the average of the top 5 carriers pay scales, based on seats?

How do we get non-ALPA to conform? I like the idea of a good old-fashioned blacklist. It is probably illegal as hell, but if there was some way to do it.......

 

[Sailpilot]

some ideas i have about ALPA and our slide to the bottom.

1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly.

2 There should be a set minimum for seats and pay. That will take the companies abilitiy to use pilots pay as a way to lower costs to "compete".

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carriers.

If you agree with these reforms, please forward them to your ALPA rep. Something needs to be done with our race to the bottom. for those of you at the majors that think this problem is beneith you, remember, shoot rolls down hill, but when it hits hard enough at the bottom, it splashes up to the top, with an end result of shoot on everyone!

Hey skippy,

Ever hear about CO pilots crossing a picket line? Guess that banned from further membership lost all credit.

THis is not a swing at CO, love the airline and have freinds flying over there. I'm just pointing out that this banning and one national union propaganda is Bullsh!f.

Sounds like this guy just went through his ALPA indoc that tells you about how great ALPA is.

OH-YA, I love the part about having to give up a flying job that is paying you money, so that you can get peferencial hiring at a ALPA carrier thats not hiring?

Dude Skippy, you would make me laugh...if your way of thinking didn't scare me so much!

Been an ALPA member for 8 years, don't give me the "anti-union" BS. Just anti-quickfix BS when talking about forcing a pilot to give away a job to fit your narrow point of view.

 

[xjhawk]

hey a$$hole......

Hey skippy,
lets see a strong union is a strong union, you are so very idiotic you brought me down to your level at name calling, and by the way, calling me skippy....you are funny, my ideas have credability....

you think i am brainwashed by ALPA, give me a break......i understand that i have seen strong unions when i was in construction.....and ask an attorney to undercut a fellow attorney, it will not happen, they have standards, where people like you do not. by making a official black list, as per say, would make those pilots vote against a pay cut, the very idea to maintain a standard, even if its a minimum standard.

And as per the Continental situation....that was absurd that ALPA let those who crossed the Picket lines back into ALPA, that just shows that the mighty dollar prevailed when those in the ALPA financial department saw that 2.9% of the wages of those who crossed the picket lines would be in the ALPA bank accounts....

This is not far fetched of an idea....and by the way, when i say that ALPA would manage the retirement accounts and 401K accounts of ALPA pilots, i do not mean some commitee like a jumpseat commitee would manage it, ALPA hires a company to do it, like every other union who has a similar program......


Ever hear about CO pilots crossing a picket line? Guess that banned from further membership lost all credit.

THis is not a swing at CO, love the airline and have freinds flying over there. I'm just pointing out that this banning and one national union propaganda is Bullsh!f.

Sounds like this guy just went through his ALPA indoc that tells you about how great ALPA is.

OH-YA, I love the part about having to give up a flying job that is paying you money, so that you can get peferencial hiring at a ALPA carrier thats not hiring?

Dude Skippy, you would make me laugh...if your way of thinking didn't scare me so much!

Been an ALPA member for 8 years, don't give me the "anti-union" BS. Just anti-quickfix BS when talking about forcing a pilot to give away a job to fit your narrow point of view.[/quote]

 

[Dave Benjamin]

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carriers.

ROTFLMAO

Honestly, where do you come up with your material. That's pretty da.mn funny.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

some ideas i have about ALPA and our slide to the bottom.

1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly.

2 There should be a set minimum for seats and pay. That will take the companies abilitiy to use pilots pay as a way to lower costs to "compete".

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carriers.

If you agree with these reforms, please forward them to your ALPA rep. Something needs to be done with our race to the bottom. for those of you at the majors that think this problem is beneith you, remember, shoot rolls down hill, but when it hits hard enough at the bottom, it splashes up to the top, with an end result of shoot on everyone!

These are all the very issues that the ALPA Fee For Departure Task Force is studying and investigating. Your NC Chairman is on this committee actually. Absolutely contact your reps but also your NC about any ideas you have related to these critical issues.

-Neal

 

[Sailpilot]

Hey skippy,
lets see a strong union is a strong union, you are so very idiotic you brought me down to your level at name calling, and by the way, calling me skippy.....

[/quote]

Dude,

Did I hit a nerve or what?


...........

...........

Skippy?

(now I'm just being an ass)

Oh-ya, I've seen plenty of Lawyers undercut others. Also, you think Lawyers have standards?

Construction? You any good at decks?

 

[lostplnetairman]

"1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly."

ERISA protects you from that. You don't need a union to do it. And what does ALPA know about the ERISA law?

HR Diva

 

[xjhawk]

oh yeah, sure alpa protects us, but that does not stop a company like mesaba from cheating and withholding money, and then it takes a lawsuit to get the money put into accounts of the pilots, having it administered by Alpa designates would cut that problem, oh and when you move on, it would not have to go anywhere.....come on, sometimes i do not even know how some of these idiots become pilots, cannot they see the light, what strength we could have...... a set pay structure set by ALPA, to prevent this race to the bottom we are in which is supported by the courts and government.

 

[pipejockey]

You ALPA guys should just stop paying your dues for all the good Woerthless and his cronies have done for you in the last 4 years. That would get their attention.

 

[kc81900]

Karl Marx would be very proud of you, comrade. Everyone must comply and join ALPA is that communist or facist teaching kind of a gray area in ideology there.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Lawyers won't undercut?????? What does "Pro Bono" mean anyway?

 

[Midnight Mike]

I have always wondered why does not ALPA propose a salary change to the pilots where you are paid for years in the airline & not by equipment?

Would make things a lot smoother for the pilots when there are furloughs as your salary would not change, well, the other thing that I can happening is if you are bumped from the left seat to the right seat.

Of course, there would have to be some sort of agreement as to how to fill the open seats as the inititive is taken away to move to the bigger equipment...

Just food for thought.......

 

[BluDevAv8r]

"1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly."

ERISA protects you from that. You don't need a union to do it. And what does ALPA know about the ERISA law?

HR Diva

ALPA has several attorneys on staff who are experts in ERISA law. Most have worked on both the union side as well as the management side.

-Neal

 

[lostplnetairman]

OK, but that has nothing to do with the fact that ERISA protects everyone's 401(k) from being raided by a plan sponsor. My point is that it doesn't need to be administered by ALPA, unless you just want another source of fee income for them!

HR Diva

 

[sleeves]

I know ... let's keep paying all the officers huge salaries while the pilots they represent all take pay cuts!!

I drew the line at $150K there are another 200+ ALPA employees making less than that. I will say that they have secretaries making Regional Captain wages. Total payroll was just shy of $40M.

Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards 2004 LM filings

Officers & Staff
Name Title Salary Benefits & Other Total Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 415,026 $ 135,703 $ 550,729
Jalmer Johnson Geneal Manager $ 376,472 $ 4,299 $ 380,771
Jonatha Cohen Chief Counsel, D $ 368,645 $ 2,312 $ 370,957
Bruce York Director Represe $ 347,331 $ 7,141 $ 354,472
Spyrido Skiados Director, Commun $ 300,728 $ 5,049 $ 305,777
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Financ $ 296,153 $ 1,528 $ 297,681
Paul Hallisay Director Govern $ 289,197 $ 4,556 $ 293,753
Kenneth Cooper Asst Dir Represe $ 276,422 $ 12,413 $ 288,835
James Johnson Managing Attorne $ 278,174 $ 7,075 $ 285,249
William Roberts Asst Dir Represe $ 277,428 $ 6,392 $ 283,820
Stephen Crable Asst Dir Represe $ 262,384 $ 9,253 $ 271,637
Jeffrey Small Sr Contract Admi $ 252,492 $ 11,238 $ 263,730
Eugene Granof Managing Attorne $ 258,504 $ 2,441 $ 260,945
Jerry Anker Managing Attorne $ 258,466 $ 1,586 $ 260,052
David Vance Director R&i $ 250,810 $ 3,129 $ 253,939
John O'brien Director Enginee $ 248,420 $ 2,447 $ 250,867
James Wilson Asst Dir Represe $ 241,223 $ 8,022 $ 249,245
Elizabe Koby Managing Attorne $ 240,722 $ 7,642 $ 248,364
Howard Hagy Dir Engineering $ 245,456 $ 1,782 $ 247,238
Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 220,224 $ 13,231 $ 233,455
Robert Nichols Sr Contract Admi $ 226,613 $ 3,778 $ 230,391
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contract Admi $ 227,915 $ 1,557 $ 229,472
Robert Bailey Sr Attorney $ 224,618 $ 1,994 $ 226,612
Ana Mcahron-schu Director Economi $ 209,022 $ 11,750 $ 220,772
Arthur Laflamme Sr Representativ $ 208,365 $ 5,521 $ 213,886
G Clayt Warner Sr Attorney $ 210,882 $ 741 $ 211,623
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Admi $ 210,306 $ 710 $ 211,016
Robert Christy Manager, Economi $ 202,360 $ 8,266 $ 210,626
Kevin Fitzpatrick Sr Contract Admi $ 206,588 $ 2,618 $ 209,206
Marcus Migliore Sr Attorney $ 207,066 $ 1,870 $ 208,936
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Admi $ 203,106 $ 5,610 $ 208,716
Steven Hodgson Sr Field Represe $ 200,557 $ 5,356 $ 205,913
Charles Murphy Director, Info T $ 194,433 $ 2,320 $ 196,753
Jan Briel Director, Human $ 195,528 $ 757 $ 196,285
Brendan Kenny Sr Legislative R $ 191,577 $ 3,935 $ 195,512
John Schleder Sr Contract Admi $ 190,866 $ 2,236 $ 193,102
Robert Plunkett Sr Contract Admi $ 190,383 $ 655 $ 191,038
Robert Lipsey Pension Inv Coor $ 183,037 $ 4,526 $ 187,563
William Elliot Sr Contract Admi $ 183,294 $ 3,769 $ 187,063
Elwyn Woody Sr Benefits Atto $ 175,181 $ 3,413 $ 178,594
Frank Voyack Sr Legislative R $ 171,447 $ 3,275 $ 174,722
Suzanne Kalfus Sr Attorney $ 169,672 $ 1,059 $ 170,731
Joan Bettenburg Sr Cont Administ $ 167,088 $ 793 $ 167,881
David Holtsman Sr Contract Admi $ 164,779 $ 2,696 $ 167,475
James Medley Manager, Sys Dev $ 166,749 $ 50 $ 166,799
James Connolly Field Represtati $ 160,437 $ 6,331 $ 166,768
Jim Stewart Air Safety Coord $ 160,101 $ 6,120 $ 166,221
Darrell Green Sr Contract Admi $ 165,027 $ 487 $ 165,514
Christo Beebe Vp Finance $ 0 $ 164,947 $ 164,947
Richard Harrell Manager, Info Te $ 164,366 $ 540 $ 164,906
Jeffrey Macdonald Supervisor Colle $ 161,944 $ 2,515 $ 164,459
Elizabe Ginsburg Sr Attorney $ 163,103 $ 1,052 $ 164,155
Paul Rice Vp Administrati $ 0 $ 162,562 $ 162,562
William Edmunds Human Performanc $ 159,272 $ 1,802 $ 161,074
Jane Schraft Sr Contract Admi $ 159,277 $ 1,358 $ 160,635
William Phanbuf Sr Staff Enginee $ 157,048 $ 3,084 $ 160,132
Jerry Wright Manager, Securit $ 158,694 $ 1,206 $ 159,900
Robert Stiegel Sr Staff Enginee $ 157,666 $ 1,006 $ 158,672
Don Mcclure Air Safety Coord $ 149,926 $ 5,828 $ 155,754
Everett Barber Contract Adminis $ 149,926 $ 4,114 $ 154,040
James Barnett Director, Info S $ 153,997 $ 0 $ 153,997
James Lobsenz Sr Attorney $ 152,943 $ 374 $ 153,317
J Gary Dinunno Supervisor, Maga $ 150,966 $ 1,008 $ 151,974
Richard Pavel Field Representa $ 146,567 $ 4,944 $ 151,511

Cutting the salaries of your Lawyers and other administrative talent is not a good idea. We need to attract the best possible talent if we are to ever retain or gain any ground in the future.

What we need to do is demand that we get what we pay for. This requires getting involed in ALPA. It will take a lot of time and deep dedication from all of us. Just paying dues does not cut it.

 

[kc81900]

Cutting the salaries of your Lawyers and other administrative talent is not a good idea. We need to attract the best possible talent if we are to ever retain or gain any ground in the future.

What we need to do is demand that we get what we pay for. This requires getting involed in ALPA. It will take a lot of time and deep dedication from all of us. Just paying dues does not cut it.

The above is the exact same arguement NW management used with the courts saying NW management cannot take any more pay cuts ( while still asking for more from the pilots) a matter of fact that is the same argument DL has used to get management severance packages approved in BK court.

 

[sleeves]

The above is the exact same arguement NW management used with the courts saying NW management cannot take any more pay cuts ( while still asking for more from the pilots) a matter of fact that is the same argument DL has used to get management severance packages approved in BK court.

The part about staying involved, getting what you pay for, and not just paying dues is the important part. This is where we have stumbled. I have no problem paying, but we need the performance.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The above is the exact same arguement NW management used with the courts saying NW management cannot take any more pay cuts ( while still asking for more from the pilots) a matter of fact that is the same argument DL has used to get management severance packages approved in BK court.

This raises an interesting conundrum, grasshopper!

Should ALPA be a good employer?

Do our employees deserve the same consideration we are demanding from our managements? We're getting hammered. Does that mean we should hammer the people who work for us?

Some of the lawyers on that list are the lawyers we take with us to the negotiating table, where we fight to prevent management from taking advantage of us just because times are bad right now.

If we use management's argument against our lawyers now, is it reasonable to expect their dedication to our cause in the future?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

OK, but that has nothing to do with the fact that ERISA protects everyone's 401(k) from being raided by a plan sponsor. My point is that it doesn't need to be administered by ALPA, unless you just want another source of fee income for them!

HR Diva

I agree with that...but that isn't what you said in your post above. Most people know that one's DC plans are protected from mismanagement and BK, etc.

-Neal

 

[Tejas-Jet]

some ideas i have about ALPA and our slide to the bottom.

1 any 401K or retirement accounts should be administered by ALPA, to keep the companies from touching them and/or not funding them properly.

2 There should be a set minimum for seats and pay. That will take the companies abilitiy to use pilots pay as a way to lower costs to "compete".

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carriers.

If you agree with these reforms, please forward them to your ALPA rep. Something needs to be done with our race to the bottom. for those of you at the majors that think this problem is beneith you, remember, shoot rolls down hill, but when it hits hard enough at the bottom, it splashes up to the top, with an end result of shoot on everyone!

OK...put together a resolution and present it at your next LEC meeting and let us know how it goes.

Especially item #2....I'm pretty happy with my in house association and would fight tooth and nail if anyone wanted ALPA here at "my house"...

Tejas

 

[Tejas-Jet]

3. any non alpa must conform with the established pay rate minimums or their members are banned from ALPA in the future. ANy ALpa carrier who does not comply, will be forced out of ALPA and their members who stay with that carrier, will be given a date they must leave that carrier or be bannned from further membership in ALPA. Ofcourse, those pilots would have preferencial hiring at ALPA carr

Sorry for my earlier post...I meant item #3, not # 2.

As far as preferential hiring....NEWSFLASH...ALPA doesn't do any pilot hiring at any carrier....however, you can apply for a position at ALPA World Headquarters....based on other threads, it appears they pay pretty good.

Tejas

 

[405]

I know ... let's keep paying all the officers huge salaries while the pilots they represent all take pay cuts!!

I drew the line at $150K there are another 200+ ALPA employees making less than that. I will say that they have secretaries making Regional Captain wages. Total payroll was just shy of $40M.

Source: Department of Labor, Office of Labor Management Standards 2004 LM filings

Officers & Staff
Name Title Salary Benefits & Other Total Compensation
Duane Woerth President $ 415,026 $ 135,703 $ 550,729
Jalmer Johnson Geneal Manager $ 376,472 $ 4,299 $ 380,771
Jonatha Cohen Chief Counsel, D $ 368,645 $ 2,312 $ 370,957
Bruce York Director Represe $ 347,331 $ 7,141 $ 354,472
Spyrido Skiados Director, Commun $ 300,728 $ 5,049 $ 305,777
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Financ $ 296,153 $ 1,528 $ 297,681
Paul Hallisay Director Govern $ 289,197 $ 4,556 $ 293,753
Kenneth Cooper Asst Dir Represe $ 276,422 $ 12,413 $ 288,835
James Johnson Managing Attorne $ 278,174 $ 7,075 $ 285,249
William Roberts Asst Dir Represe $ 277,428 $ 6,392 $ 283,820
Stephen Crable Asst Dir Represe $ 262,384 $ 9,253 $ 271,637
Jeffrey Small Sr Contract Admi $ 252,492 $ 11,238 $ 263,730
Eugene Granof Managing Attorne $ 258,504 $ 2,441 $ 260,945
Jerry Anker Managing Attorne $ 258,466 $ 1,586 $ 260,052
David Vance Director R&i $ 250,810 $ 3,129 $ 253,939
John O'brien Director Enginee $ 248,420 $ 2,447 $ 250,867
James Wilson Asst Dir Represe $ 241,223 $ 8,022 $ 249,245
Elizabe Koby Managing Attorne $ 240,722 $ 7,642 $ 248,364
Howard Hagy Dir Engineering $ 245,456 $ 1,782 $ 247,238
Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 220,224 $ 13,231 $ 233,455
Robert Nichols Sr Contract Admi $ 226,613 $ 3,778 $ 230,391
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contract Admi $ 227,915 $ 1,557 $ 229,472
Robert Bailey Sr Attorney $ 224,618 $ 1,994 $ 226,612
Ana Mcahron-schu Director Economi $ 209,022 $ 11,750 $ 220,772
Arthur Laflamme Sr Representativ $ 208,365 $ 5,521 $ 213,886
G Clayt Warner Sr Attorney $ 210,882 $ 741 $ 211,623
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Admi $ 210,306 $ 710 $ 211,016
Robert Christy Manager, Economi $ 202,360 $ 8,266 $ 210,626
Kevin Fitzpatrick Sr Contract Admi $ 206,588 $ 2,618 $ 209,206
Marcus Migliore Sr Attorney $ 207,066 $ 1,870 $ 208,936
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Admi $ 203,106 $ 5,610 $ 208,716
Steven Hodgson Sr Field Represe $ 200,557 $ 5,356 $ 205,913
Charles Murphy Director, Info T $ 194,433 $ 2,320 $ 196,753
Jan Briel Director, Human $ 195,528 $ 757 $ 196,285
Brendan Kenny Sr Legislative R $ 191,577 $ 3,935 $ 195,512
John Schleder Sr Contract Admi $ 190,866 $ 2,236 $ 193,102
Robert Plunkett Sr Contract Admi $ 190,383 $ 655 $ 191,038
Robert Lipsey Pension Inv Coor $ 183,037 $ 4,526 $ 187,563
William Elliot Sr Contract Admi $ 183,294 $ 3,769 $ 187,063
Elwyn Woody Sr Benefits Atto $ 175,181 $ 3,413 $ 178,594
Frank Voyack Sr Legislative R $ 171,447 $ 3,275 $ 174,722
Suzanne Kalfus Sr Attorney $ 169,672 $ 1,059 $ 170,731
Joan Bettenburg Sr Cont Administ $ 167,088 $ 793 $ 167,881
David Holtsman Sr Contract Admi $ 164,779 $ 2,696 $ 167,475
James Medley Manager, Sys Dev $ 166,749 $ 50 $ 166,799
James Connolly Field Represtati $ 160,437 $ 6,331 $ 166,768
Jim Stewart Air Safety Coord $ 160,101 $ 6,120 $ 166,221
Darrell Green Sr Contract Admi $ 165,027 $ 487 $ 165,514
Christo Beebe Vp Finance $ 0 $ 164,947 $ 164,947
Richard Harrell Manager, Info Te $ 164,366 $ 540 $ 164,906
Jeffrey Macdonald Supervisor Colle $ 161,944 $ 2,515 $ 164,459
Elizabe Ginsburg Sr Attorney $ 163,103 $ 1,052 $ 164,155
Paul Rice Vp Administrati $ 0 $ 162,562 $ 162,562
William Edmunds Human Performanc $ 159,272 $ 1,802 $ 161,074
Jane Schraft Sr Contract Admi $ 159,277 $ 1,358 $ 160,635
William Phanbuf Sr Staff Enginee $ 157,048 $ 3,084 $ 160,132
Jerry Wright Manager, Securit $ 158,694 $ 1,206 $ 159,900
Robert Stiegel Sr Staff Enginee $ 157,666 $ 1,006 $ 158,672
Don Mcclure Air Safety Coord $ 149,926 $ 5,828 $ 155,754
Everett Barber Contract Adminis $ 149,926 $ 4,114 $ 154,040
James Barnett Director, Info S $ 153,997 $ 0 $ 153,997
James Lobsenz Sr Attorney $ 152,943 $ 374 $ 153,317
J Gary Dinunno Supervisor, Maga $ 150,966 $ 1,008 $ 151,974
Richard Pavel Field Representa $ 146,567 $ 4,944 $ 151,511

Your union dues at "work". Keep feeding the pigs and they'll stay at the trough.

 

[bluejuice787]

ALPA has several attorneys on staff who are experts in ERISA law. Most have worked on both the union side as well as the management side.

-Neal

I'm sorry but did you use ALPA and expert in the same sentence?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I'm sorry but did you use ALPA and expert in the same sentence?

Sarcasm duly noted but yes, I actually did. I'm going to go out on a limb here and surmise that you probably have very little, if any, actual experience dealing with any of the people in those departments within ALPA. I'll reserve any other commentary until you give me a little more background as to your disdain for ALPA and its professional staffers. If you have actual experience with these people, fill me in. If not, well, I don't know if anything I say will not fall on deaf ears frankly.

-Neal

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Hey skippy,

Ever hear about CO pilots crossing a picket line?

Hey, Everybody wants to use CO as the example. Don't just limit this to CO. How about scabs that fly at the other ALPA represented carriers? Besides, how many of today's CO pilots are from that group. It's a very small number, I'll bet

Tejas

 

[xjhawk]

a number of people need to go to reading comprehension classs........i did not say ALPA would hire anyone, an alpa carrier would do the hiring.......now, what i am saying is that if you are not a part of the union, or are banned from entering (as per said before; if you undercut or take an ALPA job). That way, the complany who is hiring would have the right to hire from the street, but not the ones who push our industry down a hole. This would prevent go jets from also underbidding you major guys on routes which handle large jets, also prevent chinese companies from underbidding alpa carriers from flying under the umbrella of one of our US companies...

These are just ideas to protect our jobs, something ALPA has not done a good job at so far. i just think its rediculous that a pilot can be paid lower than a bus driver, a trucker etc.....

 

[bluejuice787]

Sarcasm duly noted but yes, I actually did. I'm going to go out on a limb here and surmise that you probably have very little, if any, actual experience dealing with any of the people in those departments within ALPA. I'll reserve any other commentary until you give me a little more background as to your disdain for ALPA and its professional staffers. If you have actual experience with these people, fill me in. If not, well, I don't know if anything I say will not fall on deaf ears frankly.

-Neal

Uhh, let's see: scheduling advisor, FO rep two terms, informational picketing organizer, grieve cord, and ultimately led my fellow pilots to pursue other representation by forming an in-house union. The in-house union lost a great deal of steam after 9-11 as most of the then dynamics were disrupted. Shortly there after I was hired JB.

In that time I worked with many of the Herndon staff. From aero med staff to Woerth. It is an organization that has many great members all fighting the wrong war. The war on each other. You cannot and will not change the culture in any material way because the very premis of a union is dysfunction from the beginning. That is the reason I came to JB. You must start with a company that does not deserve a union and build from that. It is not possible any other way.