a hypothetical JS question

[jsoceanlord]

this is a hypothetical jumpseat question; say you're a non rev riding in the cabin and the 59 year old captain keel's over (or the FO). what happens then?

 

[EagleRJ]

Then hopefully you didn't have the fish for dinner!

 

[logolight]

Call the flight attendant to help get that person out of the seat and then strap yourself in to assist the other crew member with the radios while you divert for a medical emergency.


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"Traffic...traffic..." "Climb...climb now..."

 

[Deftone45075]

Call the flight attendant to help get that person out of the seat and then strap yourself in to assist the other crew member with the radios while you divert for a medical emergency.

...Then you become the hero! All the passangers cheer, The company gives you a raise, and you get to go home with all the flight attendants and have your way, even the slam-clickers loosen up for you.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Hopefuly the F/A will be younger than 59...well, anything over 40 would be anticlimatic

 

[Mrs_Boeing]

You gotta be kidding me. Who the hell are you, Walter Mitty? Stick to the Spam Cans kiddo, and leave the airline biz to the professionals. I've flown with every affliction known to man over the years and no one holding a Class 1 and endowed with a modicum of common sense is likely to keel over. Grow up.

Mama B.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Mrs. Boeing, yew bastid

 

[skydiverdriver]

This actually happened to two Comair pilots non-revving to Belgium. The captain asked for their help, and they worked the radios for him after the FO got food poisoning. It may sound like an unlikely possibility, but it happens.

 

[Morning Wood]

I've actually been called to the cockpit twice, pre-9/11/2001, while jumpseating. Neither was an emergency and both were by Southwest captains.

First time was on a LAS-SAN flight. After the second TCAS RA in less than 3 mins, the Captain called me up to be an extra set of eyes.

Second time was on a marginal VFR day into LAS from PHX. Everyone was stacking up waiting for the ILS. The Southwest Captain was told he could shoot a visual only if he was very familiar with the local landmarks and published visual procedures. The Captain remembering I was a local Scenic pilot said no problem and brought me to the cockpit to navigate. He saved an estimated 45 mins to 1 hour in holding.

And how did they electronically verify your employement
to allow you in the actual jumpseat?

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

LOL @ screen name

 

[Bill Mostellar]

this is a hypothetical jumpseat question; say you're a non rev riding in the cabin and the 59 year old captain keel's over (or the FO). what happens then?

If you're a non-rev (as stated) instead of a jumpseat rider, the flight crew probably doesn't know you exist.

The remaining flight crew member will probably secure the individual in his seat (moving an unconscious person is very difficult, divert as necessary (weather, medical assistance, etc), and use the autopilot to the maximum extent possible.

If he wants help, he'll quietly query the cabin crew about possible assistance from on-line (same company) deadheading flight crews, off-line flight crews, etc. If someone is available with whom he is comfortable, the cabin crew will get him to the cockpit (think about possible cockpit access security problems). He'll then most likely be asked to handle the radios from the jumpseat or be another set of eyes.

I wish you success!

 

[OtterFO]

Morning Wood,

If you read Jim's post you will see the statement "Pre-09/11/2001"

 

[AA717driver]

If it's the captain...

You make sure you rifle through his wallet and use his credit cards before his widow cancells them... What'dy mean I'm a cold bastard? TC

 

[WrightAvia]

Drats, AA717driver!

I was thinking the same thing!

Not only could you lift the wallet, you could lift the "little black book" also!

As far as keeling over with a Class I medical goes...

August 22, 2000: Northwest pilot dies after in-flight medical emergency

A 53-year old captain on Northwest DC-10 flight 308 from Los Angeles to Minneapolis-St. Paul died Monday, following a suspected heart attack while at the controls with 290 passengers aboard. The remaining two crew members took over the aircraft, which landed safely. Attempts to revive the un-named captain after landing failed.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/pilotdies000821.html

 

[logolight]

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If you're a non-rev instead of a jumpseat rider, the flight crew probably doesn't know you exist.
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It's good procedure for any non-rev crew member to introduce themselves to the captain when they board and at least ask permission if they can ride on the plane.


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"Climb, ALTS armed"

 

[skydiverdriver]

Ahh, no it isn't. I was on a 747 last year coming out of Sydney that had over 100 non-rev's on it. I don't think we would have ever left if they all went to the cockpit. I don't know where you heard this, but I have never heard anyone say this at any of the four airlines I've worked for.

Now, if you want to mention it to a flight attendant, if he/she has time, that you could be used as an ABP, then that might be a good idea.

 

[Bill Mostellar]

quote: It's good procedure for any non-rev crew member to introduce themselves to the captain when they board and at least ask permission if they can ride on the plane.

You know this, but others may not.

It is Procedure to ask the Captain for permission to ride the Jumpseat.

It is not Procedure to ask the Captain for permission to non-rev, though it is a good Technique (as you rightly pointed out) to let him know you're there.

Non-reving is a defined benefit offered by the Company to most/all employees. Eligibility for each flight is determined by Gate Agents via employment date, and/or pass priority, and/or whatever criteria the Company has outlined. There's no requirement for the Flight Crew to authorize it.

Thanks for reminding everyone to keep the Captain informed.

I wish you success!

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

whats the diff in non-rev vs. jumpseat?

because I keep hearing about these lists that some captains carry in hopes of keeping pilots of certain airlines off their flights???

won't work very well if the non-rever never sees the captain?

 

[logolight]

Alright, let me re-phrase that. It is not a procedure but it is in good taste. I would sure like to know who is on my plane. Out of 100 non-revs, a lot of them were probably not pilots but other airline employees. Those people have no reason to talk to the captain. I just mean in general, for pilots it's good form to do so.

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"LOC 2 armed, GS armed"

 

[dsee8driver]

Mrs. Boeing said: You gotta be kidding me. Who the hell are you, Walter Mitty? Stick to the Spam Cans kiddo, and leave the airline biz to the professionals. I've flown with every affliction known to man over the years and no one holding a Class 1 and endowed with a modicum of common sense is likely to keel over. Grow up.

Mama B.

This happened at Emery about a year before they went belly up. The Capt passed in his seat.