A glider at FLOPS?

[Gumby]

NTSB Investigating Flight Options Beechjet Flameout
[font=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A Flight Options Beechjet 400A, believed to be headed to a Miami-area airport with several passengers aboard, experienced a dual-engine flameout over the Gulf of Mexico on July 12. According to the FAA, the incident occurred while the aircraft was at altitude, and the crew was able to restart one engine after gliding to a lower altitude. The crew declared an emergency and diverted to Sarasota, Fla., where the aircraft landed safely. Initial examination of the Pratt & Whitney Canada JT15D-5 turbofans revealed no mechanical anomalies, according to the NTSB. The Safety Board is still analyzing fuel samples taken from both the Beechjet and the last location where the aircraft uploaded fuel before the incident. An FAA spokesman told AIN Alerts that the Beechjet was being operated under Part 135 air-taxi rules, but Flight Options disputed this point. Flight Options further said that the passengers aboard the aircraft continued on to their destination, but did not say by what mode. Raytheon Aircraft and Pratt & Whitney Canada declined comment, citing the ongoing NTSB investigation.

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[Majik]

Whew!!! Kudos to the crew for getting it safely on the ground!!!!

 

[FracCapt]

We're always on the cutting edge here....we're looking into the feasibility of a Glider program with the fractionals. As you can see, the glider was capable of crossing the Gulf! The program might just work!

 

[Schrode]

We got something like that at NetJets - we call it the Fuel cost savings program. So far, the pilots don't like it too much . . .

Just in jest - no angry thoughts!

BTW - Reguardless of what happened on that flight, good job to the crew for saving the aircraft, pax, and themselves.

 

[ShawnC]

So that's why I have been seeing an increased number of SSA members in Sarasota.

 

[luvu]

beechjet glider over gulf of mexico

are life raft's standard equipment on the beechjet at Flight Options? Did the aircraft in question have the required liferaft on board?

 

[Live4flyng]

are life raft's standard equipment on the beechjet at Flight Options? Did the aircraft in question have the required liferaft on board?

Are you kidding with this question? PART135, 50 Nautical miles a life raft is required 100 Nautical miles for PART 91. May not be standard equipment, but rest assured they had one!

 

[PHX767]

Yes, all of the Beechjets at FO have life rafts on board.

 

[FracCapt]

I think that ALL Flight Options aircraft carry life rafts/survival kits at all times. I know, at the very least, Beechjets and larger aircraft have them as standard equipment.

 

[NJAowner]

Where?

I am not doubting you, but having been on the 400 a few times with the cramped cabin, where is the life raft stowed whoch can hold the passengers and crew? There does not seem to be a lot of extra room to store it?

Thanks.

Anyone know about the Citation VII and Excel?

 

[JetCapt69]

regs

What 135 reg states that a raft must be in the plane for overwater flights greater than 50 nm? I can't seem to find it & worry I may be going blind

All FLOPS a/c do not carry rafts. Those that do not have room to store on the a/c are rented at an outsourced FBO or picked up at a Raytheon maint. base.

 

[PHX767]

The raft fits neatly in the closet across from the toilet. For overwater flights of course it is placed in a readily accessible area.

I have flown the "new" Beechjet at FO for about a year now, and have always had a raft. Logistics explained that it is cheaper in the long run than chasing down a raft when you need one, and gives you the versatility of using the Atlantic routes when going to or from south FL to NY (which we do a LOT) or FL to the west.

 

[FracCapt]

Anyone know about the Citation VII and Excel?

If you really want to know where to store rafts in a VII or Excel, you better ask the NJA crews...because we don't even fly those types at Flight Options. We do have Citation III's - but I don't know where they keep the raft...never even been inside one of those.

 

[USC328]

What 135 reg states that a raft must be in the plane for overwater flights greater than 50 nm? I can't seem to find it & worry I may be going blind


FAR 135.167(a)(2) in case you were serious in this reply

Extended overwater operations is defined as:
(1) With respect to aircraft other than helicopters, an operation over water at a horizontal distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline

 

[JetCapt69]

thanks

Thanks, I am serious, but I went to the FAA website, pulled up that regulation and I still don't see where it states 50 nm.

I am not arguing & I appreciate your help, I just like to see things in black & white so I can make my case to "other" people.

§ 135.167 Emergency equipment: Extended overwater operations.

(a) Except where the Administrator, by amending the operations specifications of the certificate holder, requires the carriage of all or any specific items of the equipment listed below for any overwater operation, or, upon application of the certificate holder, the Administrator allows deviation for a particular extended overwater operation, no person may operate an aircraft in extended overwater operations unless it carries, installed in conspicuously marked locations easily accessible to the occupants if a ditching occurs, the following equipment:

(1) An approved life preserver equipped with an approved survivor locator light for each occupant of the aircraft. The life preserver must be easily accessible to each seated occupant.

(2) Enough approved liferafts of a rated capacity and buoyancy to accommodate the occupants of the aircraft.

(b) Each liferaft required by paragraph (a) of this section must be equipped with or contain at least the following:

(1) One approved survivor locator light.

(2) One approved pyrotechnic signaling device.

(3) Either—

(i) One survival kit, appropriately equipped for the route to be flown; or

(ii) One canopy (for sail, sunshade, or rain catcher);

(iii) One radar reflector;

(iv) One liferaft repair kit;

(v) One bailing bucket;

(vi) One signaling mirror;

(vii) One police whistle;

(viii) One raft knife;

(ix) One CO2 bottle for emergency inflation;

(x) One inflation pump;

(xi) Two oars;

(xii) One 75-foot retaining line;

(xiii) One magnetic compass;

(xiv) One dye marker;

(xv) One flashlight having at least two size “D” cells or equivalent;

(xvi) A 2-day supply of emergency food rations supplying at least 1,000 calories per day for each person;

(xvii) For each two persons the raft is rated to carry, two pints of water or one sea water desalting kit;

(xviii) One fishing kit; and

(xix) One book on survival appropriate for the area in which the aircraft is operated.

(c) No person may operate an airplane in extended overwater operations unless there is attached to one of the life rafts required by paragraph (a) of this section, an approved survival type emergency locator transmitter. Batteries used in this transmitter must be replaced (or recharged, if the batteries are rechargeable) when the transmitter has been in use for more than 1 cumulative hour, or, when 50 percent of their useful life (or for rechargeable batteries, 50 percent of their useful life of charge) has expired, as established by the transmitter manufacturer under its approval. The new expiration date for replacing (or recharging) the battery must be legibly marked on the outside of the transmitter. The battery useful life (or useful life of charge) requirements of this paragraph do not apply to batteries (such as water-activated batteries) that are essentially unaffected during probable storage intervals.

[Doc. No. 16097, 43 FR 46783, Oct. 10, 1978, as amended by Amdt. 135–4, 45 FR 38348, June 30, 1980; Amdt. 135–20, 51 FR 40710, Nov. 7, 1986; Amdt. 135–49, 59 FR 32058, June 21, 1994; Amdt. 135–91, 68 FR 54586, Sept. 17, 2003]

 

[JetCapt69]

Thanks, I think.

If you're gonna search the FAA (beta test) site, please do a complete search..

This is what I was looking for, however, you could be a bit more professional don't you think Griz? One requirement of an ATP is "good, moral character". The way you treat people on this board does not reflect this.

Good day Sir.

 

[JetCapt69]

3rd class

I'm very moral. I also expect folks to own up to their mistakes.

It is not a mistake if you "just" can't find the information. If that is what you want to hear, then I guess I should apologize for not being able to find that info in the Part 135 section of the regs. I guess we can't all be as "Superior" as others.

I will just run along to my "steerage class" cabin now.