Herkenstein
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For those who may have been there before... I am in the process of updating my resume and logbook, and have come up with a few questions on how to log my military time. I've talked to the local FSDO, read the part 61 FAQ and did a few searches on this board, but cannot find exactly what I'm looking for (and the FSDO does not routinely deal with many military pilots, so they may not be familiar with some of the peculiarities).
Background: Attended UPT in 2004-2005, trained in the T-37 and T-44, then attended FTU at LRAFB for the C-130. Prior to UPT, I held a commercial/single-engine certificate with instrument rating. After completing UPT and receiving my military pilot rating, I had multi-engine priviliges added to my commercial certificate (certified by the local DE). Have a current Form 8 from the C-130.
Q1: I am current (per 61.57) for instruments, having logged the appropriate number of approaches, etc. Some employers have asked for the date of my last instrument proficiency check - I am using the date of my form 8 checkride (even though @ LRAFB, the form 8 checkride is split - instrument check in the sim about a month prior to landing check in the plane, which is the date on the form 8). Is this correct? Also, I assume instrument checkrides during UPT do NOT count as IPCs, is this also correct? (See PIC logging below)
Q2: Same thing for the BFR - I am current, using the date of my form 8. Could I also count the date of graduation (winging) from UPT as a BFR? Or the date of my last checkride at UPT? Not such a big deal, as the form 8 is more current, but I just want to make sure my logbook is annotated correctly.
Q3: Per 61.31(g)(3)(iii), I do not need a high altitude endorsement if I have a PIC checkout by the military. Does the form 8 qualify? (Once completing initial C-130 training, we are now "first pilots" - not copilots, and not aircraft commanders). If it does not qualify, may I receive an endorsement from a civilian flight instructor if they are provided with a record of my physio training and form 8? Or do I need to actually receive the training in a sim/plane from that instructor?
Q4: Logging flight time.... In the T-37, I logged all time as dual received, except my student solos, which were logged as solo/PIC. In the T-44, I logged all time as dual received, except "solos" (two students on board, one is acting PIC - has signed for the plane), which I logged as PIC. In the C-130. I logged all time as dual received until my form 8 checkride. I have NO IDEA if this is correct. I also logged all other (dual received) time in the T-44 as SIC. The T-44 required (by regulation) two pilots. My FSDO did not see it that way - since the civilian king air does not require two pilots, he stated that I could not log it as SIC. However, according to 61.51 & 61.55, since the military DID require two pilots, and I am "qualified" per 61.55, I may log it as such.
- Did I need to log all this time as "dual received"? Do I log C-130 flight training @ the FTU as dual received even after the form 8 checkride?
- Do I keep my T-44/C-130 time as "SIC"? Reading previous posts, you can log PIC during the time you were the "sole manipulator", but I don't want to get this confused with "A" time. My log book already has hundreds of little notes (since the AF and Navy log things differently), and I know different companies qualify PIC time differently, so is it worth it to log PIC/non-A time, or just log it all as SIC?
- Do I log "dual received" in the flight simulator?
Q5: As for the sims, do I only log time during which I specifically was being evaluated (acting PIC)? Or do I log the entire sim, the other time performing duties as co-pilot?
Sorry to be so long-winded, and I know I could ask these questions to 10 different FSDOs, and get 15 different answers, but I'm hoping there's someone else out there who has some real world information. And if there are previous threads regarding some of these, I am sorry for reposting.
Background: Attended UPT in 2004-2005, trained in the T-37 and T-44, then attended FTU at LRAFB for the C-130. Prior to UPT, I held a commercial/single-engine certificate with instrument rating. After completing UPT and receiving my military pilot rating, I had multi-engine priviliges added to my commercial certificate (certified by the local DE). Have a current Form 8 from the C-130.
Q1: I am current (per 61.57) for instruments, having logged the appropriate number of approaches, etc. Some employers have asked for the date of my last instrument proficiency check - I am using the date of my form 8 checkride (even though @ LRAFB, the form 8 checkride is split - instrument check in the sim about a month prior to landing check in the plane, which is the date on the form 8). Is this correct? Also, I assume instrument checkrides during UPT do NOT count as IPCs, is this also correct? (See PIC logging below)
Q2: Same thing for the BFR - I am current, using the date of my form 8. Could I also count the date of graduation (winging) from UPT as a BFR? Or the date of my last checkride at UPT? Not such a big deal, as the form 8 is more current, but I just want to make sure my logbook is annotated correctly.
Q3: Per 61.31(g)(3)(iii), I do not need a high altitude endorsement if I have a PIC checkout by the military. Does the form 8 qualify? (Once completing initial C-130 training, we are now "first pilots" - not copilots, and not aircraft commanders). If it does not qualify, may I receive an endorsement from a civilian flight instructor if they are provided with a record of my physio training and form 8? Or do I need to actually receive the training in a sim/plane from that instructor?
Q4: Logging flight time.... In the T-37, I logged all time as dual received, except my student solos, which were logged as solo/PIC. In the T-44, I logged all time as dual received, except "solos" (two students on board, one is acting PIC - has signed for the plane), which I logged as PIC. In the C-130. I logged all time as dual received until my form 8 checkride. I have NO IDEA if this is correct. I also logged all other (dual received) time in the T-44 as SIC. The T-44 required (by regulation) two pilots. My FSDO did not see it that way - since the civilian king air does not require two pilots, he stated that I could not log it as SIC. However, according to 61.51 & 61.55, since the military DID require two pilots, and I am "qualified" per 61.55, I may log it as such.
- Did I need to log all this time as "dual received"? Do I log C-130 flight training @ the FTU as dual received even after the form 8 checkride?
- Do I keep my T-44/C-130 time as "SIC"? Reading previous posts, you can log PIC during the time you were the "sole manipulator", but I don't want to get this confused with "A" time. My log book already has hundreds of little notes (since the AF and Navy log things differently), and I know different companies qualify PIC time differently, so is it worth it to log PIC/non-A time, or just log it all as SIC?
- Do I log "dual received" in the flight simulator?
Q5: As for the sims, do I only log time during which I specifically was being evaluated (acting PIC)? Or do I log the entire sim, the other time performing duties as co-pilot?
Sorry to be so long-winded, and I know I could ask these questions to 10 different FSDOs, and get 15 different answers, but I'm hoping there's someone else out there who has some real world information. And if there are previous threads regarding some of these, I am sorry for reposting.
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