A/C order question for Delta guys

[BILL LUMBERG]

Sure......leave my widebody for a 717?

Yeah, sign me up General!! You have me mistaken for an F/O

 

[jrcpilot]

Tha MAX should not be considered a long term narrowbody solution by Boeing. I think they bought themselves 5-8 years MAX (pun intended). They need to be working on a clean sheet design while the MAX is still in development so that they are ready to bring a new frame to market in the 2020-23 timeframe at the latest.

Very good point. There is something on the drawing board. uncle is a Chief engineer at Boeing. Discussions and planning are well underway for a NB Composite variant of the dreamliner. Your 5-8 year time span is right on the mark according to him.

 

[gutshotdraw]

As someone who loves flying the 757, but doesn't love deadheading in the back of one, I sympathize. Why did you put the 757 ahead of the M88? I always prefer the 2x3 configuration on that aircraft. Only one out of five seats is a middle seat.

Primarily noise level. If I'm aft of about row 23 on a Mad Dog, my ears ring for two days. If I'm aft of the galley, it's three days. And I wear the QC-15. With earplugs...

Overhead bins on the MD are a joke too and I NEVER check a bag unless the gate agent has a gun to my head.

 

[General Lee]

Sure......leave my widebody for a 717?

Yeah, sign me up General!! You have me mistaken for an F/O

Sorry, it's hard to tell from your profile.........I wonder if we have flown together on the 7ER??? HMMMMM.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[igneousy2]

Not for the passengers.

As a professional airline passenger (and spouse of a DL/NERD pilot), I LOATHE riding in the back of a 757, especially Delta's. The 7-5 is the definition of NARROW BODY.

I fly a MINIMUM of 50 airline trips a year (mostly coach) as a paying customer and my preferences are as follows for passenger experience:

Narrow Body

A-319/320/321
B-737
E-190
B-757
B-717
MD-80 Series
All the other RJ's

Wide Body

A-330/340
B-777
B-747
B-767
MD-10/11

Haven't ridden on the 787 or the 380 yet.

I know most of you couldn't give a rip about the comfort in the back but it hopefully does factor in the selection process by the poo-bah's in the executive suite.

Of course, none of them come close to the ride in the back of a G-550

You can't compare a 757 to a 737 in the back...the airlines have a large range of options in the back (they sometimes have someone other than Boeing outfitting the passenger cabin in fact). You also might be comparing a 1980's 757 to an NG. Try comparing a 737-Classic to a 757 and I think you will see that it's realy the same tube...just a little higher off the ground due to the longer landing gear. There is no reason Boeing couldn't have made the same improvements to the interior that they made on the 757 to the 737. Also, try riding a former CAL 737NG to an Alaska NG. CAL has nicer gizmos on the seats...Alaska has a sightly thicker seat cushion making the choice difficult. I personally prefer the thicker seat cushion.

Anyway...

 

[gutshotdraw]

You can't compare a 757 to a 737 in the back...the airlines have a large range of options in the back (they sometimes have someone other than Boeing outfitting the passenger cabin in fact). You also might be comparing a 1980's 757 to an NG. Try comparing a 737-Classic to a 757 and I think you will see that it's realy the same tube...just a little higher off the ground due to the longer landing gear. There is no reason Boeing couldn't have made the same improvements to the interior that they made on the 757 to the 737. Also, try riding a former CAL 737NG to an Alaska NG. CAL has nicer gizmos on the seats...Alaska has a sightly thicker seat cushion making the choice difficult. I personally prefer the thicker seat cushion.

Anyway...

And as a passenger, I'll take the Bus over either of them.

Actually rode a brand new Alaska -900 three days ago. So new it had that "new car smell." Funky new overhead panels with the space age lites and the goofiest wemac vents I've ever seen and the low profile, composite shell seats. A pretty nice ride overall but the Bus has more shoulder room and I'm 6'4", 230.

Saddest part was watching some lady deplaning in front of me drag her too-wide rollaboard down the aisle smashing the crap out of the nice, clean, new aisle seats. And she'd probably be the first to complain about beat-up airliners....

 

[fr8doggie]

I fly a MINIMUM of 50 airline trips a year (mostly coach) as a paying customer and my preferences are as follows for passenger experience:

Narrow Body

A-319/320/321
B-737
E-190
B-757
B-717
MD-80 Series
All the other RJ's

Wide Body

A-330/340
B-777
B-747
B-767
MD-10/11

I'm curious how many times you've ridden in an MD-10? And when was the last time you rode in an MD-11?

Regards,
Fr8doggie

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'm curious how many times you've ridden in an MD-10? And when was the last time you rode in an MD-11?

Regards,
Fr8doggie

Rode the -10 on Hawaiian a LOT back in the day. Had a trip or two on somebody's -11 but then they started converting them all to freighters. Wonder why that was....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I'm curious how many times you've ridden in an MD-10? And when was the last time you rode in an MD-11?

Regards,
Fr8doggie

Does it matter? Really?

 

[BentOver]

Ok...so was that a no, Delta has not ordered any A320NEO or 737MAX

How the heck did an a/c order question turn into a "fractional pilots don't like riding as passengers in the back of pt.121 airplanes thread!!"

I get it, a corporate jet, which none of us here will ever be a passenger in (on our own $$) is much more comfortable than a 757. We don't need to hear about how much airlining sucks every time you're on day 7 and jump on Facebook to joke about it.:beer:

 

[DYLIN]

Saddest part was watching some lady deplaning in front of me drag her too-wide rollaboard down the aisle smashing the crap out of the nice, clean, new aisle seats. And she'd probably be the first to complain about beat-up airliners....

Well, that just goes back to the Airbus again.

C'mon Boeing . . . a few more inches?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Ok...so was that a no, Delta has not ordered any A320NEO or 737MAX

How the heck did an a/c order question turn into a "fractional pilots don't like riding as passengers in the back of pt.121 airplanes thread!!"

I get it, a corporate jet, which none of us here will ever be a passenger in (on our own $$) is much more comfortable than a 757. We don't need to hear about how much airlining sucks every time you're on day 7 and jump on Facebook to joke about it.:beer:

Not complaining. It's part of the job. Just saying it is/would be nice if the executive suite of a US airline actually factors passenger experience into the aircraft procurement equation.

And Facebook is a datamining scourge and I refuse to participate....:smash:

 

[CheapFlyer]

we blew by a 777 on approach to the parallel. Our ref must have been easily 30 knots faster than his.

The 737-900 is at the practical aerodynamic limits for this wing.

FYI: The NG's are geometrically limited, not aerodynamically limited. They increase the ref speeds so you don't hit the tail. At least that's what I've been told.

 

[jonjuan]

Not complaining. It's part of the job. Just saying it is/would be nice if the executive suite of a US airline actually factors passenger experience into the aircraft procurement equation.

It's so CEOs like Gary Kelly at Southwest can pay his senior CAs $260K/year (plus a $26K/year 401k match) or 60% more than a corporate GV CA (with a significantly smaller 401k match). Maybe if corporate CEOs valued their senior CAs better.

 

[fr8doggie]

Does it matter? Really?

Only in the nitpicking sense that FDX is the only airline to ever operate the MD-10. Now, if you are talking about a DC-10 that is a whole 'nother issue.


Regards,
Fr8-