A-380 whens it gonna fly

[profile]

Actually, last I heard directly, it was Boeing that had committed to adding hard limits at the CAST-JSIT-LOC meetings, Airbus has no intent to go the other way, it would be contrary to the JSIT findings and the JIMDAT analysis.

 

[bocefus]

CAST- JIMDAT committed to installing "Fight envelope Protection in new type designs". This does not mandate "hard limits" by any means.

 

[profile]

I never said it was mandated at all, and you've actually just confirmed what I did say.

 

[minitour]

Airbus; where Rudders aren't required!

Ah damm...that reminds me of my commercial single checkride...

eights on pylons, chandelles, stalls, etc without rudder...why oh why!?!?!

-mini

 

[bocefus]

Producing new aircraft with conventional "soft limit" control methodology is not in any way shape or form contrary to JSIT findings or JIMDAT analysis.

 

[OneBadLT123]

I saw 2 pictures on airliners.net showing a few run ups, and rolling tests

click me

 

[profile]

Soft limits, like the MD11, are not contrary to what the JSIT said, but would be contrary to what Boeing folks stated a couple of years ago. Obviously, it was not an official public commitment, but I was present to hear it. Boeing was free to back off on it, and I have no problem with them if they did.

 

[bocefus]

I don't know what you heard, but I can tell you what JSIT, with Boeing and Airbus as JSIT members have explicitly stated in print. Boeing agreed as did Airbus to install "Flight Envelope Protection in new type designs" That is is it. No hard limits were suggested nor implied by JSIT, Boeing or Airbus.
Traditionally the Airbus approach and methodology has been to effect this through implementation of "hard limits", Boeing's approach has been through implementing "soft limits". Both approaches comply with the JSIT
member committed elements, neither approach is contrary, despite what you might have "heard".

 

[VaB]

I saw 2 pictures on airliners.net showing a few run ups, and rolling tests

click me

My gawd, that thing is ugly. I have a sudden urge to go hoggin'. (Dice man? Anyone?)

 

[Freddie Spencer]

including numerous accidents where they were a factor

Myself I prefer Boeing, but since I used to fly Airbus I'm interested in those "accidents", maybe you could name some of them?

 

[profile]

Bo-

Were you at the JSIT or just read about it?

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[bocefus]

Profile, did you read the official report, or just hear about it?

 

[profile]

Read it, have it on my bookshelf, actually.

 

[bocefus]

Very good, now can you please direct me to which part of it states that anything other than hard limits would be contrary to their agreed upon findings?

 

[profile]

Why don't you direct me to where it says that hard limits are against the agreed upon findings? The phrasing of your question contains a lot of editorial bias. What was originally stated and what was put in writing differ, but that does not mean that it was not stated, nor does it mean that it won't happen, it just means that political issues prevented the statement from being written that way. If you're truly familiar with the process then you surely understand that concept.