A-320's at TED

[RP170]

How many jumpseats are in the cockpit on the TED A-320's? I think there were 2 back when I interned at UAL in 2000 (pre-TED) but can't remember. Just curious since I'll be commuting between ORD and MCO and will be flying for a United Express carrier. It is my understanding that we can occupy the cockpit jumpseats? And yes, I already know that MCO is a pain to commute out of. Thanks for any info regarding this.

 

[labbats]

There's two. I've jumpseated on a couple from ORD due to CASS.

 

[RP170]

There's two. I've jumpseated on a couple from ORD due to CASS.

Thanks man. Should make the commute a little easier then with the 2.

 

[DOVPILOT]

I jumped on a 320 (ML not TED) a couple of weeks ago out of ORD to philly.... I think just one in the cockpit......unless you plan to use the lav

 

[labbats]

Hrm. It could change plane to plane then. There was the lousy one where I got booted off a half-full 767 because they had one jumpseater and one jumpseat. On a 767! I guess some have 2 and some don't. But I know very little about United/Ted and their overall jumpseat setup.

 

[RP170]

I jumped on a 320 (ML not TED) a couple of weeks ago out of ORD to philly.... I think just one in the cockpit......unless you plan to use the lav

Whatever it takes to get me there will work.

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

TWO SEATS in the A-320 and 319's at UAL........

TED&Mainline...

Too bad furloughed UAL pilots cannot sit in those seats.....Funny that the UAX bubba's can.......

 

[AZ Typed]

I believe TED is simply UAL in a different color - and most/all of their 19/20 products have 2 seats...so you should be fine. Have fun in ORD (miss that place).


AZT

 

[Rick James]

TWO SEATS in the A-320 and 319's at UAL........

TED&Mainline...

Too bad furloughed UAL pilots cannot sit in those seats.....Funny that the UAX bubba's can.......

How is that funny? Do you laugh when a UAX guy rides in the jumpseat? Give me a PM and I'll buy you a beer so you can have a really good laugh.

 

[Mach .76]

Hrm. It could change plane to plane then. There was the lousy one where I got booted off a half-full 767 because they had one jumpseater and one jumpseat. On a 767! I guess some have 2 and some don't. But I know very little about United/Ted and their overall jumpseat setup.

Only the 67-200's & 57's have one jumpseat, all the 67-300's have 2 seats.
Since we got rid of all the 200's a while ago, you either got the type of a/c wrong or the Skipper just didn't like you.

Our hands are tied on the js policy (one seat one rider) not that we like it, I agree it should be more liberal. i.e. up to the Capt.


Mach out

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

How is that funny? Do you laugh when a UAX guy rides in the jumpseat? Give me a PM and I'll buy you a beer so you can have a really good laugh.

Oh--it aint Funny! It just plain sucks....

A guy with 4.5 years at UAL who is furloughed (replaced by an RJ) cannot get the jumpseat (actually sit in the seat) but a Riddle Kid flying for Distress has no problem....

Think about it....

Rant over

 

[AZ Typed]

Oh--it aint Funny! It just plain sucks....

A guy with 4.5 years at UAL who is furloughed (replaced by an RJ) cannot get the jumpseat (actually sit in the seat) but a Riddle Kid flying for Distress has no problem....

Think about it....

Rant over

Why are you so upset over something you cannot control? Is it your fault that your mainline flying is replaced by RJs? Is it his fault he wants to be a FutureTedPilot someday, too? No. So deal with it. Don't be "that Captain" that makes commuting for folks suck.

AZT

 

[NTS ALL 4]

Oh--it aint Funny! It just plain sucks....

A guy with 4.5 years at UAL who is furloughed (replaced by an RJ) cannot get the jumpseat (actually sit in the seat) but a Riddle Kid flying for Distress has no problem....

Think about it....

Rant over

Get over it dude, everyone has been furloughed at least once these days. Just remember, you may be swinging the Riddle Kids gear someday. Be nice.

Rant over, underdone.

 

[stillflyn]

futureTEDpilot

Oh--it aint Funny! It just plain sucks....

A guy with 4.5 years at UAL who is furloughed (replaced by an RJ) cannot get the jumpseat (actually sit in the seat) but a Riddle Kid flying for Distress has no problem....

Think about it....


I don't know who your flying for now but the priority for the jumpseat at UAL goes United mainline pilots, then furloughed pilots flying for other 121 airlines, then United express. I carry a copy of this page from the FOM with me because not every UAL Capt. keeps updated on J/S priority. If nothing else write down the page number out of the FOM and keep it with you so the Capt. can look it up. It's page 12.10.13.

If you are flying for an airline that is not yet a member of cass you still get the J/S if there are open seats in back over anyone except an active pilot.

Hope that helps.

Stillflyn

 

[AZ Typed]

the priority for the jumpseat at UAL goes United mainline pilots, then furloughed pilots flying for other 121 airlines, then United express.

1. UAL Mainline
2. Other furloughed 121 ???
3. UEX

So a furloughed delta pilot shows up who is now flying for Comair and a Delta mainline pilot simultaneously. The Comair guy gets priority because he is furloughed? Assuming nither has CASS - meanwhile the UEX guy can't get on? This makes no sense.

In other words, a UEX guy and CAL guy (previously furloughed) are fighting over the jumpseat - assuming both have CASS - the CAL guy gets the last seat up front? Again...this makes no sense. The CAL guy doesn't contribute to UALs bottom line. The UEX guy does.

So United leaves those who bring home the bacon to UAL on the bottom of the jumpseat list? Don't a HUGE chunk of UAL pax come from UEX? Yes - UAL books 'em...but UEX brings them to ORD, IAD, SFO, LAX, etc. Hrmmmm...2 and 2 are not equaling 4 here - what am I missing?

 

[FutureTEDpilot]

1. UAL Mainline
2. Other furloughed 121 ???
3. UEX

So a furloughed delta pilot shows up who is now flying for Comair and a Delta mainline pilot simultaneously. The Comair guy gets priority because he is furloughed? Assuming nither has CASS - meanwhile the UEX guy can't get on? This makes no sense.

In other words, a UEX guy and CAL guy (previously furloughed) are fighting over the jumpseat - assuming both have CASS - the CAL guy gets the last seat up front? Again...this makes no sense. The CAL guy doesn't contribute to UALs bottom line. The UEX guy does.

So United leaves those who bring home the bacon to UAL on the bottom of the jumpseat list? Don't a HUGE chunk of UAL pax come from UEX? Yes - UAL books 'em...but UEX brings them to ORD, IAD, SFO, LAX, etc. Hrmmmm...2 and 2 are not equaling 4 here - what am I missing?

You are missing some info...

the "Other 121" part is for FURLOUGHED UAL pilots who work elsewhere. My point in all this is a guy who is working for another 121 company and NOT part of CASS (ie...Pace, Allegiant, Polar, TransMeridian, USA3000) furloughed from UAL does not and I REPEAT "DOES NOT" have a chance at the jumpseat in the cockpit unless his company is in the CASS program! UAL Inc. could easily fix this since they have TONS of data on the furloughed pilot and could easily grant him cockpit access but it does cost $$$$$.

ALPA really could care less about the Furlough bubba's and most of the UAX guys really could give a schitt as well.....

It is all about me!

 

[AZ Typed]

Got It! That makes sense. I agree with the ALPA jumpseating issues. Jumpseating was a great thing - I really miss it!

AZT

 

[stillflyn]

I know it sucks about the cass thing but at least you get priority over a united express pilot if there is an open seat. I think that we've had this deal for less than a year. It took a few letters and arm twisting to get any type of priority for a furloughed "UNITED" pilot.

Stillflyn