91 owner job ?'s

[illeagle]

Hi,
I currently fly 135 for a large company that has a new jet online with an owner. The jet will be operated part 91 for the owner and will require 24/7 on call. The owner plans to use it less than 10days a month and the rest of the time it is there in case of an emergency call out of which there could be a couple per month. What questions would you ask if you were offered the job? They are saying no hard days off available, but if something comes up we could cover the jet for you with a contract pilot. It sounds like a lot of downtime at home, need to be 2 hours from the plane in case of an ASAP, zero beers and moderate pay. If anyone has had a similar position or has any info they think would be good to know before accepting such a job, I would love to hear from you. Plane is northeast based, 2 pilots, 75-85K and they'll type me. Thanks.

 

[USC***]

Just my opinion because everyone has different lifestyle demands, but if you have a family and no Hard Day's Off, then it's a tough life.

I might accept the job if the pay was enough where I could do it for a couple years and then retire early, but I wouldn't want to make a career out of such a job.

Some people like this no HDO schdule more than an airline type schedule where you work 18-20 days but know you have hard days. I prefer to work a little more and know that on my HDO, I can take my family on a trip more than 2 hours from the airport or crack a beer if I want.

I had a job like that once and was always nervous when I had work done on my car or did an oil change. My wife worked part time, so when she worked I could watch the kids, but always had to have family or a neighbor that I could drop the kids off with if my work called me for a pop-up trip. It was a hassle.

 

[ultrarunner]

24/7 continuous duty? No days off?

Who's guaranteeing coverage for days off??
Hmmm...

Sounds like a $hit sammy to me. Lets see...owner spends millions on hardware, and wants a couple of guys up front that have a $hit life.

Let me tell ya, down-time at home 'aint down-time at home unless you can crack a cold one!

Owners like that will get what they pay for and get what they deserve.

Good luck

 

[cezzna]

Can you say serf? Or maybe slave is a better word.

Yessa massa! I get da jet ready right now!

Tell them it's three pilots, or some real time off, or good luck! If you aren't worth a day off, you are very expendable.

 

[pilot1704]

You work for EFI

I would say 100k and I can do it!

Get the type, get some time and go fly legacy for someone else!

my 2 cents

 

[B737Dvr]

If you aren't worth a day off, you are very expendable.[/quote]


WOW! Very well said!!!!!

 

[bizjet800]

Doesn't sound very "91" to me. Are you sure it's not a cargo Falcon 20?

 

[futurepizzaguy]

Run Run Run

No days off=zero life. You won't be able to ever make plans for dinner with friends and social functions or watching the game etc etc. no matter how bad the job or how low the pay...EVERYONE needs a few hard days off a month. I agree with earlier response...don't count on the contract guy when you need a day off. No beer either?????
Keep looking around.....75-85 in the NE sounds pretty low to work 30 days a month.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Yeah, zero hard days off SUCKS if you have a family. When are you supposed to go away for a weekend? When are you supposed to have a beer while watching football? What if you're at the grocery store? Eating dinner out? Your car is being worked on?

That is piss poor. Any craphead owner that has no concept whatsoever of their pilots having a life should be shot. You HAVE to have some scheduled time off, otherwise you're going to be staring at your phone every time you're not sitting at the house ready to go with a bag packed. Not a good life IMO. Been there, done that, and screw it. My family is more important to me then pleasing some rich a$$hole. And trust me, if some dude cares that little about his employees or their QOL, then he is an a$$hole and you don't want to work for him.

 

[FlyFlyFly]

My bet would be that the owner did not start this but the management company did. They low-balled the owner on a fee and proceeded to try to take it out of the crew. 24/7 on call means being available, which means you are working. Take the job if it is what you want.

Since you are asking for advice, mine would be:

1) Three pilots
2) Minimum 8 hard days off a month
3) Or 35% above NBAA average salary (still cheaper than the third guy)

The "we will cover days you have to have with a contract pilot" seems all too loose. Get the number of days they will cover with a contract pilot in writing. Best to ask that question via email and take the answer that way too, so it is there when you get told "contract pilots are too expensive".