91.9 Airplane Flight Manual

[Eric]

I am a new instructor (and the only instructor at this airport). I haven't seen an AFM in either the 150 or the 172. Before I ask the boss about it, I wanted to ask you guys if the AFM is required in a 1969 150 or a 1975 172? FAR 91.9 references 21.5, and 21.5 isn't included in my FAR/AIM. I thought I remembered a cutoff year that a Operations Manual/AFM wasn't available, therefore not required.

Also, while perusing the maintenance records, I haven't found any record of ELT, transponder, or pitot/static tests. I came from a 141 background where all of the records were nice and neat. These are things I should be politely insisting upon seeing before I instruct in these aircraft, right? I would hate to send a student into a checkride, have him get asked to produce evidence of these inspections, and all he can produce is a dumb look on his face hiding the horror of the moment, wondering why his instructor sent him unprepared.

Maybe I am answering my own question.

Thanks for any advice.
Eric

 

[Flymach2]

Hi...

For your perusal.....

§ 21.5 Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.

(a) With each airplane or rotorcraft that was not type certificated with an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual and that has had no flight time prior to March 1, 1979, the holder of a Type Certificate (including a Supplemental Type Certificate) or the licensee of a Type Certificate shall make available to the owner at the time of delivery of the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.

(b) The Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual required by paragraph (a) of this section must contain the following information:

(1) The operating limitations and information required to be furnished in an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual or in manual material, markings, and placards, by the applicable regulations under which the airplane or rotorcraft was type certificated.

(2) The maximum ambient atmospheric temperature for which engine cooling was demonstrated must be stated in the performance information section of the Flight Manual, if the applicable regulations under which the aircraft was type certificated do not require ambient temperature on engine cooling operating limitations in the Flight Manual.


More to peruse...

§ 91.9 Civil aircraft flight manual, marking, and placard requirements.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the certificating authority of the country of registry.

(b) No person may operate a U.S.-registered civil aircraft --

(1) For which an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual is required by § 21.5 of this chapter unless there is available in the aircraft a current, approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual or the manual provided for in § 121.141(b); and

(2) For which an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual is not required by § 21.5 of this chapter, unless there is available in the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, approved manual material, markings, and placards, or any combination thereof.


Continue to be thorough.......attention to detail will save your life as well as your students.

Be careful about "demanding" or "insisting" to see documents from your new employer. Be diplomatic and deliver a genuine concern for safety and the regulations and the new boss should be happy to oblige......we hope.

Good Luck

 

[A Squared]

Eric,

yeah, you need to satisfy yourself that these things actually do exist and are documented. You could be viewed as being helpful in helping get some of the paperwork organized, or as a troublemaker. It all depends on your boss'es attitude and your approach.


Those sort of things can make a checkride go badly very quickly. I was adding on a commercial Glider rating a few years back, it was a fun, vacation thing to do. GOing into the checkride I was relaxed. I felt I had a pretty good handle on the aircraft, and was up to speed on knowledge. The DPE had "issues" with the operator I was renting from, but no worries, I'm not going to give him any excuse to pink me right? Things went well in the oral, I hadn't screwed anything up badly .... he asked me what was required for MX to operate the glider commercially ... I gave him the spiel ... annual inspection within 12 months, AD's complied with, 100 hour inspection accomplished with .... great, he says, now how do you know that this has all been complied with? Well it will be recorded in the Mx Logs ... OK show me how you check that you're legal .... I open the logs .... hmmmm ok last hundred hour was XXX, hmmm current TT is .... uh, oh!!! the last recorded 100 hour was more than 100 hours ago.....
There were some phone calls as my instructor called the school owner and records were checked .... ultimately the DE was convinced there there was a current 100 hour inspection that hadn't been recorded in the logs and we went on with the checkride. The examiner would have been well within his rights to pink me ..... in fact he probably went out on a limb to accept the verbal assurance from the owner that the 100 hour was done. Ultimately it would have been my own fault for not checking the logs myself before the checkride.

If you don't check the logs before each flight, at least check them before each checkride.

regards

 

[Eric]

Thanks guys.

 

[DC9stick]

I am a new instructor (and the only instructor at this airport). I haven't seen an AFM in either the 150 or the 172. Before I ask the boss about it, I wanted to ask you guys if the AFM is required in a 1969 150 or a 1975 172? FAR 91.9 references 21.5, and 21.5 isn't included in my FAR/AIM. I thought I remembered a cutoff year that a Operations Manual/AFM wasn't available, therefore not required.

Also, while perusing the maintenance records, I haven't found any record of ELT, transponder, or pitot/static tests. I came from a 141 background where all of the records were nice and neat. These are things I should be politely insisting upon seeing before I instruct in these aircraft, right? I would hate to send a student into a checkride, have him get asked to produce evidence of these inspections, and all he can produce is a dumb look on his face hiding the horror of the moment, wondering why his instructor sent him unprepared.

Maybe I am answering my own question.

Thanks for any advice.
Eric

As per the previous posts the only manual you need is a pilot operating handbook or manual, no AFM was provided.

As for maintenance the ELT must be inspected annually per FAR 91.207 (d) and the battery must be replaced on or before the date of expiration, it should have a sticker on the logbook cover.
Check the annual inspection entry for this information.


Transponder tests are required every two years.

Pitot static tests are required every two years only on aircraft intended to be flown IFR (actual)

These tests are usually done by a repair station and entry in the logbook is by ink stamp.