9/3/07 Delta New Hire Class

[ASAFLY2]

Anyone in the 9/3 class, would you please post the A/C and domiciles available for bid.

 

[rf285]

6-73n Nyc
4-73n Slc
2-7er Nyc
20-m88 Nyc

I'm very happy to be here! Delta is a real class act!

 

[Sinca3]

I'm very happy to be here! Delta is a real class act!

You didn't like CO?

 

[rf285]

CO is a very good company. I could have easily hung my hat there with no regrets. Seniority progression, management, good equipment all in spades. It came down to my family in this decision. Hopefully it was the right one, I guess I'll find out in 20 years. Anyways, I'm happy to be at Delta now. Both are great companies with good futures ahead of them.

 

[Schiphol]

6-73n Nyc
4-73n Slc
2-7er Nyc
20-m88 Nyc

I'm very happy to be here! Delta is a real class act!

How many in your class? I'm waiting for the cleared to train call and a class date. Arnie said I should expect sometime in the beginning of Oct.

thanks.

sch.

 

[anewunion]

Was that a class of 32 ?. Is that correct. Thanks

 

[Schiphol]

How many in your class? I'm waiting for the cleared to train call and a class date. Arnie said I should expect sometime in the beginning of Oct.

thanks.

sch.

Sorry, I"m a f$%(%( moron. I guess I could have just added it up. Amazing I was hired.

 

[GuppyWN]

No 777 Intl FO's? Could have sworn the General said you got it right out of the box.

Gup

 

[General Lee]

No 777 Intl FO's? Could have sworn the General said you got it right out of the box.

Gup

No, but two 767 INTL FOs, right out of the box. Not bad, the last class had 10 newhires for the INTL 767 out of JFK. Recent newhires have bid from domestic 767 ATL to the INTL category in ATL too. Sure beats LBB.

As far as 777 FOs, since we only have 8 777s currently (10 more coming in the next 3 years supposedly), it is tougher to get thanks to the higher pay. It will get more junior when the other 10 arrive, and maybe 2nd or 3rd year guys might be able to hold it eventually. What plane will you hold at Southwest GUP?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[cybourg10]

What plane will you hold at Southwest GUP?

Bye Bye--General Lee

He will probably be able to hold the plane that will pay him more money and give him more time at home. But you will be able to brag that you airplane has more seats in the back but I don't think GUP will care......he'll be too busy drinking $1 beers and looking at hot/drunk college chicks in LBB.

 

[General Lee]

He will probably be able to hold the plane that will pay him more money and give him more time at home. But you will be able to brag that you airplane has more seats in the back but I don't think GUP will care......he'll be too busy drinking $1 beers and looking at hot/drunk college chicks in LBB.

That's great and all, but a lot of us get really bored with certain types of flying and flying one particular airplane. Most people like a little variety, in routes and planes. Sure, the money is great at SWA, and the money was great at Delta before BK. To say that we won't get back to higher pay (maybe not what we had before--$315 an hour for 777 capts) is wrong. Eventually we will get more money and then we really will have both---high pay and options on flying. Southwest cannot say that. Their options are ISP or LBB. Our INTL flying can be done in one stretch if you want---flying back to back trips or spacing them out. You can't do that at Southwest because of the 30 in 7 rule. (INTL flying does not have that) I can have 30 straight days off if I want by front loading my schedule 1 month and back loading the second month. (with a full months pay)It is great to have options in flying.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[UAL-GSO]

What plane will you hold at Southwest GUP?

Bye Bye--General Lee

That's pretty funny.

 

[ASADFW7]

Well I just lost five minutes of my life reading more justification to work for Delta over SWA. Why don't you compare Delta to United, or American, or US Airways, or Northwest? You want to know the answer, I think all those years people treated SWA like the little red headed kid you had to be nice to but you thumbed your nose at. Now that kid who could thumb his nose at you doesn't and you do not know what to do about. So you still think you are better than him and will tell anyone who will listen. All of us at SWA want you to be real happy, I wonder what will happen if SWA starts flying International? What will say about us then? We don't have first class? We don't have what, grace?

 

[anewunion]

Gup,

Please stop getting the General all fired up. Everytime this happens an honest thread falls victim to a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Networ-King]

That's great and all, but a lot of us get really bored with certain types of flying and flying one particular airplane. Most people like a little variety, in routes and planes. Sure, the money is great at SWA, and the money was great at Delta before BK. To say that we won't get back to higher pay (maybe not what we had before--$315 an hour for 777 capts) is wrong. Eventually we will get more money and then we really will have both---high pay and options on flying. Southwest cannot say that. Their options are ISP or LBB. Our INTL flying can be done in one stretch if you want---flying back to back trips or spacing them out. You can't do that at Southwest because of the 30 in 7 rule. (INTL flying does not have that) I can have 30 straight days off if I want by front loading my schedule 1 month and back loading the second month. (with a full months pay)It is great to have options in flying.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General....

You're a double breasted d!ckhead and you'll always be a double breasted d!ckhead who thinks delta's the end all be all of aviation. Get off your high horse and have a piece of humble pie, heck.... have the whole fu*&ing pie and maybe .... just maybe.... you'll stop thinking your the best of the best of the best ssssiiiirrrr!!!!!

re285,

Congrats on the job..... you've obviously been around to know NOT to drink the koolaid. Keep your guard up and your logbook updated....just in case.....

Good luck over there....

The ER is going junior for a reason out of NYC....
The 737 is a good plane, but does a lot of all nighters.
The MD-88 is a POS (IMHO) but better scheds, but with multiple legs of 4 or 5 legs on some days....

Don't know anybody in SLC.... so can't tell ya good or bad.....

buds and classmates in all of those categories and they all say they're flying quite a bit.

The training was the best over at Mother D and great instructors back in 01.....don't know how BK changed all that... again good luck to the newbies over there....

ps. rf285... can you let us all know who is getting hired? Civi, Mil, Corporate, Regional?????

 

[Full of LUV]

Swa???

Well I just lost five minutes of my life reading more justification to work for Delta over SWA. Why don't you compare Delta to United, or American, or US Airways, or Northwest? You want to know the answer, I think all those years people treated SWA like the little red headed kid you had to be nice to but you thumbed your nose at. Now that kid who could thumb his nose at you doesn't and you do not know what to do about. So you still think you are better than him and will tell anyone who will listen. All of us at SWA want you to be real happy, I wonder what will happen if SWA starts flying International? What will say about us then? We don't have first class? We don't have what, grace?

ASADFW,
The years that the major pilots "were treating SWA like the little red headed kid" was not because anybody thought they were better than anyone, it was that SWA was infringing on the domestic turf and revenue of the majors without paying their pilots a DB plan, retiree medical and industry 737 pay. Now because everyone has been torn down to their level or below in BK or threat of BK, fortunes have changed. Just like a broken clock is right once every 12 hours, the SWA contract is now the goal for most companies to match at contract time, so I hope that SWA logs advances in all areas of their contract, but too often we hear from the SWA bunch that the company is in tight fiscal constraints and this is the best that can be done without disrupting the stock price.

 

[HarryShadow]

Just like a broken clock is right once every 12 hours,

Digital or analog?

 

[regionalcap]

Back to the original post before it turned into a Delta versus SWA. I am surprised that there were not any ATL awards. The last class had a lot of ATL positions.

 

[General Lee]

Back to the original post before it turned into a Delta versus SWA. I am surprised that there were not any ATL awards. The last class had a lot of ATL positions.

A lot of the NYC MD88 new hires are transferring back to ATL, so they need to keep filling NYC until people from up there stick. The NYC 73N and MD88 categories really aren't that big, but people who live elsewhere are bidding away. There is also a real shortage on the 767ER INTL in JFK, and anyone wanting to do INTL flights and possibly be a line holder sooner should bid up there.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General....

You're a double breasted d!ckhead and you'll always be a double breasted d!ckhead who thinks delta's the end all be all of aviation. Get off your high horse and have a piece of humble pie, heck.... have the whole fu*&ing pie and maybe .... just maybe.... you'll stop thinking your the best of the best of the best ssssiiiirrrr!!!!!

re285,

Congrats on the job..... you've obviously been around to know NOT to drink the koolaid. Keep your guard up and your logbook updated....just in case.....

Good luck over there....

The ER is going junior for a reason out of NYC....
The 737 is a good plane, but does a lot of all nighters.
The MD-88 is a POS (IMHO) but better scheds, but with multiple legs of 4 or 5 legs on some days....

Don't know anybody in SLC.... so can't tell ya good or bad.....

buds and classmates in all of those categories and they all say they're flying quite a bit.

The training was the best over at Mother D and great instructors back in 01.....don't know how BK changed all that... again good luck to the newbies over there....

ps. rf285... can you let us all know who is getting hired? Civi, Mil, Corporate, Regional?????

You sound drunk, and stupid. No change there from normal. I am personally glad you are gone from here. Enjoy Brown. Bye now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Well I just lost five minutes of my life reading more justification to work for Delta over SWA. Why don't you compare Delta to United, or American, or US Airways, or Northwest? You want to know the answer, I think all those years people treated SWA like the little red headed kid you had to be nice to but you thumbed your nose at. Now that kid who could thumb his nose at you doesn't and you do not know what to do about. So you still think you are better than him and will tell anyone who will listen. All of us at SWA want you to be real happy, I wonder what will happen if SWA starts flying International? What will say about us then? We don't have first class? We don't have what, grace?

Dude,

Not everyone wants your lifestyle. We like your pay rates, and hopefully we will get ours back up there someday.(your high rates are thanks to our old pay rates--no lie there) But, your mostly regional flying with mostly multiple leg days, quick turns, and one aircraft type are NOT attractive to some people. Get over it. Are my posts a waste of YOUR time? Place me on ignore. Really, I don't care.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Gup,

Please stop getting the General all fired up. Everytime this happens an honest thread falls victim to a bunch of nonsense.

Hey, he has asked some good questions, and I don't mind trying to give an answer or my opinion to an honest question he has. I also don't mind dishing it out to him if he tries to slam me or Delta. I don't mind--I will obviously answer anyone's questions or reply to anyone.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Networ-King]

9255 posts???????????

What a shock.....

Now anyone in the 9/3 class.....who's getting hired?

 

[General Lee]

9255 posts???????????

What a shock.....

Now anyone in the 9/3 class.....who's getting hired?

"looking good in Brown?"--Doubtful. Your attitude has been brown throughout.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Sinca3]

Military Regional National and other Majors......atleast in the 9/3 class
Pretty much 1/2 military and 1/2 civilian.
And there were actually only 31 in the class! Someone didn't show so there was one MD88 NYC that wasn't filled from this class but will be from the next.

 

[GuppyWN]

General Lee.

The difference between us is that I am confident in who I am and what I do. I don't have fuselage envy. I didn't have pay envy pre 9/11. I work for the most kick ass airline known to man.

Wanna see my welcome aboard letter from Plato. I kept it to remind me that we all have choices in life.

Chiao,
Gup

 

[Scrapdog]

No, but two 767 INTL FOs, right out of the box. Not bad, the last class had 10 newhires for the INTL 767 out of JFK. Recent newhires have bid from domestic 767 ATL to the INTL category in ATL too. Sure beats LBB.

As far as 777 FOs, since we only have 8 777s currently (10 more coming in the next 3 years supposedly), it is tougher to get thanks to the higher pay. It will get more junior when the other 10 arrive, and maybe 2nd or 3rd year guys might be able to hold it eventually. What plane will you hold at Southwest GUP?

Bye Bye--General Lee

Dude, you absolutely take the cake for being the number one kool-aid drinking clown! Are you f'in kidding me when you say DAL is even close to the class act and pay that exists at SWA? SWA and DAL might as well be in different galaxies when it comes to pay, QOL, retirements, and customer service. Here's a tough one to swallow General Buffoon - no one gives two flying F's how neat it is to flip on the autopilot on your 777...you're doing it at half the pay and QOL that SWA has. Let's look at the pay shall we? 5 year 73NG F/O at DAL...$92. 5 year F/O at SWA...$119. 12 year 777 capt at DAL...$188. 12 year lowly 73 captain at SWA...$198. And guess what, people love going to work at SWA - namely because they don't have to listen to complete clowns like yourself that think flying a 777 on autopilot for 12 hours from ATL to CDG is the ultimate demand of skill and daring. Here's a tip for you General (or lake thereof) - lay off your sunchips and your $5 snack packs.

Yeah - I enjoy working at CAL and think it's a good company. But I don't toot my horn about how I get to fly a 756 at less pay than my counterparts on the 73 at SWA. And I certainly don't get in a pissing match with them. No one except you cares how many seats are in the back - it has absolutely zero to do with skill sets or pilotage.

 

[ASADFW7]

General, you still did not get the message, start comparing Delta to United, NWA, AA etc. We are not the same that is my point exactly. We never will be, stop proving a point that we all agree to.

 

[Aubie]

Hey General, how do you talk about "quality of life" and being bored with certain types of flying when obviously your cup of tea is spending 10 hours a day every day scanning every thread of an on-line forum?

Give it up - you're not a pilot. You're some intern working at HQ paid $5/hr to promote your company.

 

[DAL737FO]

While I will agree that the General has had a snort or two of the Delta Kool Aid, I guess the same could be said about most SWA guys/gals.

Anyone crowing about their payrates/contract in this industry should have their heads examined. You can be on top today, like Delta in July 2001, and the goat tomorrow.

I was hired at SWA in early 2000. My buddies that got hired at AA, United and such were like you got real close kid maybe you'll get hired to a major later. Believe it or not SWA did not have the best payrates on the planet and you work hard for your money.

SWA, UPS and FEDEX are on top now. Back in the late 90's pilots were leaving them to go to United. Our battle cry, during contract negotiations, was United plus. Now look at United's payrates and work rules.

I guess what I'm saying is make your words sweet because you may have to eat them later.