9/11 question

[Groundpounder]

My brother and are arguing and I need help to prove I am right. On the days following 9/11, he says that all aircraft were grounded worldwide, and I say it was only the US and Canada that grounded everything. Who is right?

 

[PacoPollo]

My brother and are arguing and I need help to prove I am right. On the days following 9/11, he says that all aircraft were grounded worldwide, and I say it was only the US and Canada that grounded everything. Who is right?

Not all of them, There were few exceptions according to Farenheit9/11.

 

[FlightOpsAB]

My brother and are arguing and I need help to prove I am right. On the days following 9/11, he says that all aircraft were grounded worldwide, and I say it was only the US and Canada that grounded everything. Who is right?

Only in the States..

 

[agpilot34]

Not all of them, There were few exceptions according to Farenheit9/11.

Yeah, and of course EVERYTHING Michael Moore has to say in that FARCE of a movie is ABSOLUTELY the gospel truth, right? Give me a break.

 

[SPilot]

Moore is an idiot. However there are some wierd observations pointed out in some of the other conspiracy theory movies.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=911

 

[FlightOpsAB]

For every part in history there will always be an idiot making movies about what REALLY happened... WHATEVER.

A friend just sent me a link to this.. haven't seen it yet, but supposedly it's the retort to all the AA77 consiracy theorists
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21568_The_Pentagon_Attack_Simulation&only

 

[kingsize]

Sometimes our government does things that we don't understand. We aren't told because we don't need to know. You probably do not want to know. You have to trust that there is good reason behind these events, that they are for the longterm benefit of the nation and its citizens.

 

[WMUchickenhawk]

For every part in history there will always be an idiot making movies about what REALLY happened... WHATEVER.

A friend just sent me a link to this.. haven't seen it yet, but supposedly it's the retort to all the AA77 consiracy theorists
[URL="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21568_The_Pentagon_Attack_Simulation&only"]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21568_The_Pentagon_Attack_Simulation&only[/URL]

Maddox just posted a link to that on his site. Its pretty good. Takes Loose Change minute by minute and breaks down the fiction and inaccuracies.

 

[FN FAL]

Sometimes our government does things that we don't understand. We aren't told because we don't need to know. You probably do not want to know. You have to trust that there is good reason behind these events, that they are for the longterm benefit of the nation and its citizens.

You sound like you did well in Sheep 101.

 

[kingsize]

You sound like you did well in Sheep 101.

FLAME.
Read my other posts and tell me that.

 

[big_al]

Sometimes our government does things that we don't understand. We aren't told because we don't need to know. You probably do not want to know. You have to trust that there is good reason behind these events, that they are for the longterm benefit of the nation and its citizens.

a government by the people... for the people? or not?

 

[kingsize]

a government by the people... for the people? or not?

Exactly. What is happening (and has happened) is scary. I'm amazed how inactive and apathetic Americans are today. That apathetic attitude is what allows the government to do what it wants, unchecked. It's because our country is too rich. Nobody wants to give up their lifestyle and SUVs no matter the questionable morality of government's actions.

My job puts me in a position where I have to come to terms with these issues. Is killing terrorists the right thing to do? Sure, sounds great, but what is the *bigger* picture behind the "Global War on Terror"??? That is what you have to ask yourself, and where things start getting ugly. Here are some hints of the bigger picture: drug money and oil are the backbone of the American economy; the Middle East is the focal point for American power over the next decade or two because it controls an enormous amount of oil and other resources, and with Peak Oil here or nearly here, America must control (or at least be the hegemon in) that region to continue or improve upon our global status; last but not least---the American strategy is to obtain global dominance (not just be a superpower) to prevent world anarachy (read one of THE major architects behind US strategy, the Grand Chessboard by Brzezinski). Put all that together and things start making sense. Never put anything past your government and elected politicians. Consider that we have such a strong presence in the Middle East NOT to defeat terrorists, as much as to control the region which has the resources we need. Consider that terrorism is something we (our leaders) *want* so that the public will accept our strong presence in the Middle East.

Anyways, I back my government 100%. Remember, it's doesn't necessarily lie to you. What it does, it does for a reason. Trust in your elected officials. After all, you put them there.

 

[big_al]

actually you are supposed to NOT trust your elected officials and demand accountability. whatever it does, it does for personal gain

 

[FN FAL]

Anyways, I back my government 100%. Remember, it's doesn't necessarily lie to you. What it does, it does for a reason. Trust in your elected officials. After all, you put them there.

The founding fathers didn't trust elected officials and people in government, otherwise they wouldn't have put limitations on government in the constitution.

 

[Gatorman]

Dude....you've been HIJACKED!!!!

I cannot believe you knuckle-heads.....just answer the guy's friggen question and open up your own thread!

I believe the Groundpounder asked a general question; were all aircraft grounded around the world or just North America.

GP, I cannot answer your question, but I beleive that it was just North America. No facts to back that up.

 

[kingsize]

The founding fathers didn't trust elected officials and people in government, otherwise they wouldn't have put limitations on government in the constitution.

True. Unfortunately those limitations have been thrown out the window. Who is accountable today and for what? Where are the checks and balances among executive, legislative, and judicial branches??? Is our government anything resembling what is was with the founding fathers? Is our national strategy even close to what they would want?

That's why I tell myself daily "I trust my government, I trust my government, I trust my government..." It's the only way I can do the work I do, and not go insane.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The answer is it was not a worldwide shutdown. In fact there were still some very limited civilian flights allowed in the US. Things like air ambulance, Civil Air Patrol and other relief flights. Exact details of who and how they were approved I do not know but I know the air ambulance helicopter did not stop flying where I lived at the time. (not to mention the military planes that still flew)

 

[jetflyer]

....drug money and oil are the backbone of the American economy; the Middle East is the focal point for American power over the next decade or two because it controls an enormous amount of oil and other resources, and with Peak Oil here or nearly here, America must control (or at least be the hegemon in) that region to continue or improve upon our global status; last but not least---the American strategy is to obtain global dominance (not just be a superpower) to prevent world anarachy (read one of THE major architects behind US strategy, the Grand Chessboard by Brzezinski). Put all that together and things start making sense. Never put anything past your government and elected politicians. Consider that we have such a strong presence in the Middle East NOT to defeat terrorists, as much as to control the region which has the resources we need. Consider that terrorism is something we (our leaders) *want* so that the public will accept our strong presence in the Middle East.

Anyways, I back my government 100%. Remember, it's doesn't necessarily lie to you. What it does, it does for a reason. Trust in your elected officials. After all, you put them there.

Sounds like what I've been saying for a while. Peak Oil is driving almost everything going on geopolitically right now, even 9/11.

Sounds like you've read Michael Ruppert's book "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil". That was a great book.

I also back the government. I do not back them 100% though. They're doing a lot of corrupt things and if we'd have gone a different route 6 years ago or even longer ago, the middle east escapades wouldn't even be needed right now. Since we've waited so long and peak oil is so close now, we will have to "go get the oil". God help us, Bush, and future presidents.

Jet

 

[FN FAL]

I also back the government. I do not back them 100% though...God help us, Bush, and future presidents.

Jet

Ha, in my recent on-line class, a US military machinegun instructor was ranting about how he was trying to teach a class to some Iraqi troops on how to maintain a Russian made belt fed machinegun and he couldn't figure out how to get the reciever open to continue the class. [think about it]

His rant starts when one of the classmates, an Iraqi, takes him over to the internet and shows him a website from "Bob's Bait, Tackle and Machineguns of Bumfrick Montana" or whatever and it has a complete informational section on the machinegun the US soldier is trying to demonstrate. He's totally pissed that Americans can privately own firearms. "What are we doing?" he says, "People don't NEED such things!". "What are we doing?" indeed.

He's over there trying to teach a class about something he don't know squat on and then finds out that there's freedom in America and that there are civilians that know more than him on the subject, dam did we turn our soldiers into airline pilots or were they always living that far in the box?

It IS all about freedom, this invading of countries...thank gawd the military has something to do besides coming house to house in the USA and doing property inventories in accordance with the "Bill of NEEDS".

 

[jetflyer]

FN_Fal,

Sure some of it is about freedom and WMD's but ALL of it? You really think that? I might have missed some sarcasm.

You should read the book Kingsize recommended, "The Grand Chessboard" by Brzezinski. It is a great book.

Whoever controls the middle east controls the world. It is where the resources we and the world run on are located.

So if we get to control them, maybe we can then run the world and make everybody experience "FREEDOM".

Trust me when I say that I hope we win and get to show them that freedom. Our livelihoods depend on it.

Much, much more is at stake in this "War on Terror" or "WWIII" than 99% of Americans realize. Much more. We must win.

Jet

 

[big_al]

get off the oil addiction and you wont have to worry about the middle east anymore.

 

[Groundpounder]

The answer is it was not a worldwide shutdown. In fact there were still some very limited civilian flights allowed in the US. Things like air ambulance, Civil Air Patrol and other relief flights. Exact details of who and how they were approved I do not know but I know the air ambulance helicopter did not stop flying where I lived at the time. (not to mention the military planes that still flew)

Thank you for actually answering my question.

To those of you that hijacked this thread, eat my balls.

 

[kingsize]

To those of you that hijacked this thread, eat my balls.

haha sorry for being one of the people who hijacked your junk. But there's no way in hell I'm going Lance Bass on you. Have your FO eat them.

 

[FN FAL]

Thank you for actually answering my question.

To those of you that hijacked this thread, eat my balls.

Citation FO's have balls? Hahahahahahaha, now that's a knee slapper.

If you had balls, you'd know when you're going home at night instead of pacing FBO lobbies waiting for the one who holds your balls to come back to the airport.

 

[hydroflyer]

I'll just stick to answering the question. To be technical, there were flights around the world that were grounded, but it was only those flights who were headed to the U.S. I am not sure about other U.S. airlines that were flying between points outside of the U.S. As others have said all flights here were grounded except for the military, ambulance and maybe a couple of others. I can't remember about Canada or Mexico, but Canada did house many aircraft headed for the United States at several of their airports, just not sure if Canada also shut down their airspace. Foreign airlines that did not originate or have destinations here did still fly.

 

[jetflyer]

I think the question has been answered 5 times now.....

Jet

 

[Groundpounder]

haha sorry for being one of the people who hijacked your junk. But there's no way in hell I'm going Lance Bass on you. Have your FO eat them.

But I am the f/o! lol

 

[Groundpounder]

Citation FO's have balls? Hahahahahahaha, now that's a knee slapper.

If you had balls, you'd know when you're going home at night instead of pacing FBO lobbies waiting for the one who holds your balls to come back to the airport.

Why would I be pacing the FBO waiting for my girlfriend to come back to the airport? lol

 

[A Squared]

Anyways, I back my government 100%. Remember, it's doesn't necessarily lie to you. What it does, it does for a reason. Trust in your elected officials. After all, you put them there.

All I can say is Holy $hit !

I saw this quote in someone else's sig line and thought, "this can't be real"...but I did a search for it anyway. Turns out there really are people who think this way. That's disturbing, really disturbing. And the ironic thing is, Kingsize progbably really beleives he's a "patriot" He's not a patriot, or even a citizen, he's a subject.

 

[kingsize]

All I can say is Holy $hit !

I saw this quote in someone else's sig line and thought, "this can't be real"...but I did a search for it anyway. Turns out there really are people who think this way. That's disturbing, really disturbing. And the ironic thing is, Kingsize progbably really beleives he's a "patriot" He's not a patriot, or even a citizen, he's a subject.

What are you talking about??
That signature line you saw---was my quote! One of the guys on here was equally astounded by what I said, and decided to use it as his signature.

Anyways, learn to recognize sarcasm. Not everything is so black and white. Read my other posts and you'll understand the quotes chucklehead.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the whole patriot/citizen/subject nonsense. Obviously you must have served your country to make such judgements?