800SP vs. 800XP

[IronManNDFW]

Having flown the 800, 800XP & 1000 I think I may have a dog in this hunt.

Good and bad about both.

800 is a nce airplane to fly, good as any Hawker. XP has better thrust than the straight 8. Putting on the winglets gets you about 3% more performace. That is why RTN has now put out the 850XP.

The XP already comes with collins. In order to make an 800 repanneled, Interior & paint my suspicion is that now your going to be talking the price of an XP with collins already installed.

Raskal just remember that the 1000's were built before the XP's so the 1K's are older. The 1000 is not what the XP wanted to be when it grows up. Not to take anything away from the 1K it is a great airplane also, but as you stated only 56 are around and few of us are typed and readly available for Pop-Ups.

The 60 is a nce airplane too, but I perfer the cabin of the Hawkers. More room to move around.

I have posted a thread about Hawkers on http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=91280&page=2

If you need more PM me.

 

[StarHustler]

Ok, I have a question for all you Hawker experts.

Would you consider an initial salary of $45k on a Hawker 800a for a Part 135 Charter company in South Florida (this offer also includes 100% paid company healthcare for the employee only) to be a fair amount? Now bear in mind that the company would also pay for the Type rating and that the applicant has about 4,000 hours, ATP, but has no type ratings or Jet experience (he does however have PIC turboprop time).

Any constructive thoughts are welcome. Thanks!

 

[400A]

Ok, I have a question for all you Hawker experts.

Would you consider an initial salary of $45k on a Hawker 800a for a Part 135 Charter company in South Florida (this offer also includes 100% paid company healthcare for the employee only) to be a fair amount? Now bear in mind that the company would also pay for the Type rating and that the applicant has about 4,000 hours, ATP, but has no type ratings or Jet experience (he does however have PIC turboprop time).

Any constructive thoughts are welcome. Thanks!

If that is an SIC position, and you don't have to sign a contract then it is only a little low, but of course way better than the regionals. If that is a PIC position that is WAY low. If they want you to sign a contract to PIC at that pay,,,, DON'T.

 

[TimsKeeper]

PIC or SIC?

Contract or no contract 45000 a year is fair for an SIC in Florida if you are getting typed, no experience. If that is for PIC run ...that is absurd!

Even for a low ball salary 60000 should be starting.

Do what you want though, don't listen to these people that have nothing better to do than critize others decisions. Always do what's best for you because these whiners don't give a crap about you....take that to the bank.

 

[StarHustler]

Im sorry, I should have been more specific. It is for an SIC position (although they are offering PIC qualified) and they DO require you to sign a one year promissory note.

 

[400A]

Im sorry, I should have been more specific. It is for an SIC position (although they are offering PIC qualified) and they DO require you to sign a one year promissory note.

One year is reasonable with the type. With the lack of jet experience It might be a good move. HS-125 type is a very valuable one to have.

Good Luck!

 

[Raskal]

...Raskal just remember that the 1000's were built before the XP's so the 1K's are older. The 1000 is not what the XP wanted to be when it grows up. Not to take anything away from the 1K it is a great airplane also, but as you stated only 56 are around and few of us are typed and readly available for Pop-Ups...

I won't disagree with that statement. My problem with the XP lately is the enormous frustration of too many pax and no luggage space, it seems to be the airplane that everyone always wants to push farther and fuller than many others. It's almost like all the XP owners really wanted a Falcon 2000 but don't have the cash so, dammit, the XP will do the same thing. In my humble opinion the XP would be WAY better off with 6 seats and more baggage area. But, that's just coming from a guy who's sick of trying to fit luggage for 8 in an area that won't even hold multiple golf bags flat.

When the OP stated they weren't "mission critical" than, as I said, the straight 8 or higher time xp made more sense.

And yes, there aren't many of us with the 1000 type, but the former NJA aircraft are all filtering off the line and about half are staying in the US...I just spoke to a new operator who is taking on 4 within the next month or so. The type rating that I thought was pretty useless is generating some serious interest and pay offers to boot...go figure.

From the same operator I have heard the downside to the 1000-training cost. Simuflite DFW has the monopoly and the prices reflect it in a big way.

 

[IronManNDFW]

Raskal:

I feel your pain. Been there, done that, got the Fracken t-shirt. Actually I should say still there doing that, still have the Fracken t-shirt.

The baggage space has always been a point of contintion in the Hawkers, even the 1000.

The 850 has more space in the closet area, where we stick our bags. That should help some.

So if the A/C is not mission critical, I would still shy away from the 1K, because of the stated training cost, older airframe, etc.

Now let us all hope that they got the 4000 right...