8 Simple Questions for the RJDC

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

Ain't gonna happen. You must be a Comair or ASA pilot--or the like. 10:1? YGTBSM. Then you have the audacity to say that a Comair pilot shouldn't expect to jump into the left seat of the 777, which is just what the #10, #20, #30, #40, #50, #60, #70, #80, #90, 100, 110, 120 will do after your 2 year fence. No wonder the Delta pilots wouldn't cooperate, with expectations like those.

So glad to be out of that mess.

Maybe I was being too subtle in my post. How about DAL pilots agree to a single seniority list with CMA and ASA pilots but instead of 10:1 or 12:1, something higher? Whatever the number (and I was just throwing out numbers for the sake of discussion), the integration could be offset by a fence. Okay, 24 months isn't long enough. How about five years? Ten years? Career-length? Maybe the list could be integrated akin to what NWA and the original Republic did back in the early 80's. Suppose Delta bought E170/E190 series planes and placed a fence so that the "highest" airframe a CMR/ASA pilot can reach for the length of the fence would be those airframes?

The moral of my post was this - both pilot groups and management need to suck it up and give a little (or a lot) if we are to stop the bleeding of mainline jobs to the regional ranks.

Otherwise, the career path of a airline pilot will continue spiraling downward.

As for me, I don't work for CMR/ASA or the like. I work for Skyway and about to be furloughed.

HMM

 

[FDJ2]

What, no answers to these very simple questions yet. Imagine that. Why is the RJDC so afraid of these simple questions?

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Maybe I was being too subtle in my post. How about DAL pilots agree to a single seniority list with CMA and ASA pilots but instead of 10:1 or 12:1, something higher? Whatever the number (and I was just throwing out numbers for the sake of discussion), the integration could be offset by a fence. Okay, 24 months isn't long enough. How about five years? Ten years? Career-length? Maybe the list could be integrated akin to what NWA and the original Republic did back in the early 80's. Suppose Delta bought E170/E190 series planes and placed a fence so that the "highest" airframe a CMR/ASA pilot can reach for the length of the fence would be those airframes?

The moral of my post was this - both pilot groups and management need to suck it up and give a little (or a lot) if we are to stop the bleeding of mainline jobs to the regional ranks.

Otherwise, the career path of a airline pilot will continue spiraling downward.

As for me, I don't work for CMR/ASA or the like. I work for Skyway and about to be furloughed.

HMM

Sorry to hear about the furlough. As for a list integration, a staple would have been a windfall for the Comair and ASA group, and it wouldn't have been at anyone's expense. Regardless, the 3 to be 1 group would have never been able to convince Delta that it was in their best interest to have one list of 15K pilots rather than three lists of 7K, 2k, 2K pilots. It's all a moot point, which the Comair and ASA pilots also fail to grasp. Actually, they do grasp it, which is why there is a lawsuit. They know that they can't get it from Delta, know their careers are about to head even further south than they already are, and need to get the money from somewhere.

Glad to be gone

 

[FDJ2]

Why is the RJDC so afraid of these simple questions?

 

[FDJ2]

Dan Ford and his troupe of RJDCers sure don't seem to want to answer a few simple questions about their lawsuit. Their unwillingness to explain the ramifications of their lawsuit is noted.


8 Simple Questions for the RJDC
Simple questions Braveheart refused to answer

1. Can the DAL pilot group, or any pilot group own/control their code?

2. If you can't control (own) the code, then how can you prevent outsourcing?

3. According to the RJDC lawsuit, can ALPA negotiate scope language for the DAL pilots that limits another ALPA pilot group access to the DL code regardless of wholly owned status?

4. According to the RJDC, does CMR/ASA being wholly owned or not have any effect on the RJDC lawsuit? If so, what does it change?

5. According to the RJDC lawsuit, would ALPA be allowed to negotiate scope limits on the DL code which would prevent another ALPA pilot group from flying DL code passengers on 90 seat, 110 seat or 150 seat aircraft?

6. If the RJDC lawsuit were to prevail, would a combined DAL/ASA PWA be able to apply DL code scope restrictions on CMR if CMR were a wholly owned or spun off? How about scope restrictions limiting DL code access to Mesa or Freedom?

7. Explain the following from your lawsuit and how it prevents whipsawing and outsourcing:

"Plaintiffs thus seek an injunction ordering ALPA to stop negotiating or assisting in the negotiation of scope clauses in such a manner as to exercise control over the flying by pilots for a carrier other than the one for which the CBA is being negotiated"

8. Is there any claim for relief in the RJDC lawsuit which would compel a single list or PWA? If so, which one?

There is no demagoguery or political slant to any of these questions. Straight froward questions deserve straight forward answers, not evasion. I look forward to Braveheart's straight forward answers.