787 Power-on Testing Begins

[Spooky 2]

There's a lot in common with the 777 as far as controls/switches/buttons go.

Small point of order. There are no buttons on the B777, just switches.

 

[pianoman]

Small point of order. There are no buttons on the B777, just switches.

Perhaps the manuals you have are different than mine.

 

[Spooky 2]

Perhaps the manuals you have are different than mine.

Really? Please give us an example and while your at it, who might those manuals belong to? Certainly not a Boeing produced product.

 

[pianoman]

I hope you're not getting upset about this. I am just saying that the FM we use at CAL refers to several "buttons", such as the accept, cancel, reject buttons on the glareshield.

I have no idea what content is specifically from Boeing and what is from CAL, as it does not differentiate. I imagine it's all approved by a POI- not sure if a Boeing tech rep looks the company-specific stuff over or not.

You might have an official Boeing manual, which I'm sure I don't.

 

[Spooky 2]

I hope you're not getting upset about this. I am just saying that the FM we use at CAL refers to several "buttons", such as the accept, cancel, reject buttons on the glareshield.

I have no idea what content is specifically from Boeing and what is from CAL, as it does not differentiate. I imagine it's all approved by a POI- not sure if a Boeing tech rep looks the company-specific stuff over or not.

You might have an official Boeing manual, which I'm sure I don't.

Well I'm not sure what your looking at? I just looked at the CAL ,Boeing 777 manual and those cancel, reject, items on the DSP, etc. are all called switches.
Don't intend to get into a lather over this but it's a good beer bet when discussing the airplane. As a matter of fact, the term button is not used in any current Boeing docs. I find it a little hard believe CAL would deviate from the Boeing terminology, but I guess anything is possible these days. Having said all that I agree that a lot of switches, look like buttons!

 

[boxjockey]

Spooky,

Great job of pointing out the fact that these are indeed "switches". Now for +10 points in the "I have nothing better to do" game, what kind of switch is it? I'm sure a good boeing man would know this. Come on now, tick tock tick tock.....Scurry off now and find us all an answer so we can sleep tonight.

box :beer:

 

[nonstop]

Only in aviation. It reminds me of the time at recurrent I was corrected for saying push instead of press. It was obvious at that point we weren't getting out of there a minute sooner than our scheduled 2am end time.

 

[pianoman]

I agree it's minutia but I don't think any of us are getting bent out of shape about it. Sadly I really have nothing better to do as I'm just waiting for my 8 month old daughter to finish her nap upstairs.

Nonstop- do you remember a certain XJT IP who always got bent out of shape if you ever referred to "power" instead of "thrust"?


Spook-

If you have a Vol 2 for CAL around, section 6.5 page 46 fourth paragraph:

"The ACCEPT, CANCEL and REJECT buttons on the glareshield perform the same function as the same keys on the MFD."

Also in Vol 1, section 2.0 page 64:

"The EICAS event record button, when pressed......"

Not a big deal. These sections look company-ish, not Boeing, so you're probably right.

Sounds like you work at Alteon? Any idea what a 777 type costs these days and what they're going to do with 787 training?

 

[Spooky 2]

Spooky,

Great job of pointing out the fact that these are indeed "switches". Now for +10 points in the "I have nothing better to do" game, what kind of switch is it? I'm sure a good boeing man would know this. Come on now, tick tock tick tock.....Scurry off now and find us all an answer so we can sleep tonight.

box :beer:

Well since you asked the airplane has two kinds of switches. Alternate action and momentary action push button switches. Don't shoot the messenger. Now about those beers

 

[boxjockey]

Well done, old man!! You passed the senility test. I would be happy to buy you a beer. Just don't fall asleep at the bar!!! I keed, I keed.

box :beer:

 

[Spooky 2]

Spook-

If you have a Vol 2 for CAL around, section 6.5 page 46 fourth paragraph:

"The ACCEPT, CANCEL and REJECT buttons on the glareshield perform the same function as the same keys on the MFD."

Also in Vol 1, section 2.0 page 64:

"The EICAS event record button, when pressed......"

Not a big deal. These sections look company-ish, not Boeing, so you're probably right.

Sounds like you work at Alteon? Any idea what a 777 type costs these days and what they're going to do with 787 training?

Clueless as to what a 777 costs. I'll expect to start 787 training in the last quarter of this year. Agree with your assessment on the CAL language in your manuals. The Boeing Vol. 1 does not deal with any systems items per se. The systems stuff is in Vol. 2, so it looks like you guys have gone off on your own. It is funny to watch veteran pilots on the 777 get wrapped around the axle on small details like these, but Boeing insists on absolute compliance in this area during instruction. Keep in mind that many students have very little experience in these newer aircraft so getting it right the first time out sets the stage for many more aircraft to come. We have a couple of foreign students right now in the B744. The high time one has 375 hours and both of them are doing a really great job in mastering the aircraft. You can see the value of these issues when you work with pilots where English is not there first lanuage.