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750+ newhires at SWA in 05 *confirmed*

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roughneck

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"I heard it from a friend who, heard from a friend who, heard it from another you been messing around." (**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, I hate when i relapse into the 80's)

Really though, I had a jumpseater yesterday that had lots of info. (management type) He said that thursday there had been a chief pilot/management meeting in Dallas where the new numbers for 05 where confirmed to be 750+. He said the meeting was very upbeat and he said the senior management people where "giddy" with excitment. He also said the company numbers indicate that SWA is going to "aquire" 30 + additional aircraft (above the previously announced numbers) in 05. (and the general sense was that it was going to be announced sooner rather than later).

Now this is where it gets interesting. We ran the normal gauntlet of rumors about where the aircraft were going to come from and most were verifiable, RUMORS. But, I was shooked when he offered up a scenario that included merging with Aloha. He said Aloha was practically begging SWA to take the -700's at about 50 cents on the dollar. Herb sure likes deals like that. He said the merger aspect of the deal would be the deal breaker as SWAPA and the pilot group would not let that happen. Preferential interviews would be the right thing to do for everyone involved.

Rumors confirmed
1) 750+ new hires in 05
2) 30+ additonal aircraft in 05
3) atleast 1 new city in 05
4) DFW out of the question (not much of a rumor any more sinse Kelly has said publicly that it was out)
5) If the Wright ammendment goes away SWA will fly Dallas-Denver within 3 months of appoval
6) Several "unknown" (to him or I, probably only Herb knows) entities were actively planning a war againt the Wright ammendment and people at the GO felt sure it would go away sometime in 05.

Rumors squashed.
1) -800's are totally out of the question for now
2) We are not buying Airtran
3) another pilot groups seniority list would end up stappled or merged to our through the aquition of aircraft. Morris taught a valuable lesson to SWA that won't be repeated. He said management was of common thinking that preferential interviews would be the fair thing to do.

New rumors
1) possible aquition/merger (or something) with Aloha
2)David Neeleman is rumored to be looking for a buyer for Jet Blue
 
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Your post sounds almost like an exact repeat of what we were told at USAir, circa 1987.

Good luck, hope Sw breaks the mold and becomes the first airline to debunk the old adage about what goes up...
 
"Really though, I had a jumpseater yesterday that had lots of info. (management type)"

Yeah, management type in the JS. ;)
 
I was just trying to share some exciting news.

It was a management pilot. (I should have been more specific)

Your post sounds almost like an exact repeat of what we were told at USAir, circa 1987.

There probably has not been a single thing ever at SWA that even remotely resembled anything at US AIR ever other than the fact the we both fly airplanes.

SWA has a history of "breaking" the adage. Thanks for the support though.
 
response to learlove

It's absolutely possible an SWA management type flew jumpseat. When I flew for ACA, ACA CEO Kerry Skeen sat in my jumpseat, IAD to BTV. Scared the blood right out of his knuckles on the down-to-mins, localizer approach...Good times...Good times...
 
roughneck said:
Rumors squashed.
1) -800's are totally out of the question for now
2) We are not buying Airtran
3) another pilot groups seniority list would end up stappled or merged to our through the aquition of aircraft. Morris taught a valuable lesson to SWA that won't be repeated. He said management was of common thinking that preferential interviews would be the fair thing to do.

New rumors
1) possible aquition/merger (or something) with Aloha
2)David Neeleman is rumored to be looking for a buyer for Jet Blue
OMG WTF Over?

Between the Airtran mention and the JetBlue mention, I didn't even realize those were rumors?! Not that means anything.

Did you hear? The rumor about about UAL and US Air merging with Amtrak and Greyhound is just simply false!

I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue!
 
thanks RJONES,

I prefaced everything I posted as "rumor." Just spreading some good ole fun rumors.

Notice, I didn't even bad mouth someone elses company, take a cheap shot or anything and I still get rediculed. Oh well, I guess I will get on Meastro and see If I can pick up some extra fly. So long fellas.
 
stratocoaster said:
It's absolutely possible an SWA management type flew jumpseat. When I flew for ACA, ACA CEO Kerry Skeen sat in my jumpseat, IAD to BTV. Scared the blood right out of his knuckles on the down-to-mins, localizer approach...Good times...Good times...
Yes I know that management rides the JS, I've actually been part of the crew that tossed the president of my former division/employer off the JS. Yes I got a phone call about it, but thats a whole other tale for another time and not as gossipy as you think anyway.

As for my first post on this thread what I ment to say was that everytime (in my exp.) a "management type" or "training guy" or "someone in the know" gets in the JS its all roses on the info. Some more bla bla bla then some more yada yada yada......

Then.... Anyway it wasn't anything against anyone and I hope it turns out true as any hiring is good news.
 
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That sounds like incredible news! I wish everyone at SWA the very best as they continue to break new ground and lead this industry into the next era of commercial flying. I have a lot of friends at SW and I know everyone of them would love to have an additional 750 pilots worth of job security.

The only thing I would caution about believing rumors (even it is from a management pilot) is that often the "juiciest" rumors couldn't be farther from the truth. I seriously doubt SW has become the industry leader it is by allowing strategic information like a "merger" to get out. If a "merger" with Aloha actually were to happen, I don't think anyone (with the exception of a very small number of influential people) would know about it until the day the official announcement came. At the very minimum, a non-disclosure agreement would be signed by everyone in the meeting.

I hope all these good things do come to SW and this board is all about passing on rumors, just don't be surprised if some parts of what this "management pilot" said do not come to fruition.
 
Why are we stupid enough to spread rumors in the first place? Why not try posting information after it's been formally annonced by your company instead?Might save most everyone on this web board from looking like complete idiots.

Phxflyr:cool:
 
Actually the title of the thread and in your posts Roughneck you say that rumors are confirmed. That would imply that they indeed have either happened or will certainly happen. I guess you have confirmed that there are a lot of rumors out there, but you haven't confirmed the validity of ANY of those rumors.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but we will all have to wait until the end of next year to actually confirm the validity of the many rumors you have shared.

By the way, I wish the very best to all the folks at SWA.

FJ
 
roughneck said:
But, I was shooked when he offered up a scenario that included merging with Aloha. He said Aloha was practically begging SWA to take the -700's at about 50 cents on the dollar. Herb sure likes deals like that. He said the merger aspect of the deal would be the deal breaker as SWAPA and the pilot group would not let that happen. Preferential interviews would be the right thing to do for everyone involved.

Riiiiiiiiiight!!!!
 
how many guys get interviews after getting there type at higher power. I am going soon.....just wanted to get some feedback.


Thanks
PM me with info..
 
Actually the title of the thread and in your posts Roughneck you say that rumors are confirmed

Actually the title of the thread implies that the 750+ new hires is confirmed. That is fact and on the books as of last week. The rest is just rumors and that information was given as such.
 
If 750+ has been "confirmed" I hope we hear if they are adding more classes to Jan or Feb as right now I am on the cusp for the 1st class in Feb. Any additional classes added between now and then might very well push me and others up. If anyone hears of new classes give a post... Thanks!
 
If you get your type at HPA you will get called sooner or later. You'll get a call no matter where you get your type. What is good about HPA is SWA goes there on friday and you actually talk to them there. Make sure you bring your resume, and give it to HPA and SWA it works I got called just a few months after my type! Now swimming in the pool!!!!!!!!!!
 
thats awesome...I am going next month! Hope they call.....my stuff has been in since Feb!

Thanks for the info guys!
 

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