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747 Fire Bomber

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I don't know everything about aerial firefighting, but what I do know is that all the different types of airplanes and helicopters have their use. They are all tools in the toolbox, each has it's abilities and limitations.

The SEAT'S, AgCats, and Dromaders, are agile and nimble, can work steep terraine, box canyons and such, and do a run at low altitude, laying a line of retardant in places that the heavy's can't get to or can't safely get low enough to be effective. But even with the SEAT'S agility there are places that even they can't get to to safely in order to lay a line of retardant. Seat's are also great as initial attack resource as the first equipment to show up at the start of a wildland fire.

Helicopters can do things fixed wing aircraft can't, they can hover over a fixed location and do an enormous drop right on a specific spot, also great for initial attack and cleanup after a fire has layed down.

The p-3's and other airplanes in their class also are highly manueverable and can deliver enormous capacities when they drop. They are very effective in many different kinds of applications.

The 747 has it's areas that it is effective, but it's definitely not able to manuever through the rugged mountain terrain as the smaller aircraft would be where most mountainous fires would occur, but for flatter terrain such as grass fires, Oaklahoma, Texas, Florida fires, etc the application would be effective. The drop, even for a larger aircraft still has to occurr low to the ground so the water doesn't evaporate due to the temperatures in a fire, and with the retartdant so it doesn't dispurse or drift too much with the huge winds that occur with large wildland fire, which is harder with mountainous terrain, where the low and slow is not as easy for this aircraft. The 747 probably has the narrowist range of conditions it's able to be effective in, and have close bases to fly out of. And the benificial quick turn around times for reload and return would be longer for the 747 if an appropriate runway is not as near, and they would also take longer to reload due to the volume.

All aircraft whether they're the different fixed winged or helicopter, have their own attributes that are effective for each particular type of mission, and they also overlap where either will provide similiar results. All are tools in the toolbox.
 
I keep hearing this "all are tools in the tool box" analogy, and to be honest with you right now we need some hammers and the box is full of screwdrivers!
 
A couple of points. First the 747 normally runs about 200K under max structural weight in this configuration. Second it doesn't drop that 20,000 gallons in one time. It is pumped out at a high rate so there isn't that rapid stress on the spar like the other tankers. It is running at about 160 kts t flaps twenty so it is quite maneuverable in that configuration. Plus anyone that is familiar with Boeings, you disassemble the wing for takeoff and landing. So it will come out of shorter runways than most people think. American and Braniff used to use Longview for takeoff and landing practice in the 747 in the old days when the sims couldn't be used totally.
 
Well, at any rate, I've got alot of respect for the tanker drivers, whether it be SEAT pilots OR heavys. Being a volunteer firefighter here in the town where I live, I've seen what they can do up close and personal. One of the P-3's that based out of Ardmore back in Feb. and March really saved our a$$es on a couple of occasions up in the Arbuckles. I'd love to get a SEAT position, and I've got enough ag hours to probably do it, but the away from home time just wouldnt work out for me. My hats' off to you guys, though.
 
PRC has a fairly large USFS base on the airport with a number of P2's, P3's, heavy-lift choppers, and all their support (King Air's, Bell's, etc) based on the field for a couple months during the summer. Just like agpilot mentioned about ADM, PRC has a 7,500' runway, except it's at 5,000' MSL, and when the temps get up into the 90's on a regular basis during the summer those loaded tankers use up every available inch of the runway on takeoff, so there would be no possible way a 747 would be able to be based here. There are only a few strips in the state the I could see a 747 feasibly operating out of, in my opinion. So what the forest service would be gaining in quantity, they would be sacrificing in location, I imagine. What I'd give to watch one drop, though!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1790531163526393852&q=prescott+tanker&pr=goog-sl
 

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