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I thought Lufty was still using PrivatAir's A-319? Wonder if they got their own 73 for the Bussinessclass service A/C.
 
Quote=Purpled Aux tanks=pain in the rear.

You got it!!

Great Jet... A$$ pain + aux tanks/weight & balance

Give me 4 time zones please... Thank you, SWA!
 
I saw an N-registered shorty Challenger in Shenzhen China yesterday.

A Pacific crossing at .72 - Yee HAH!!!!
 
737ski said:
Maybe you've heard of a BBJ? I've flown an 11.2 in a "737", rather not do it again...
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yes, heard of that (!). For whatever reason, I just kinda assumed a 737 decked out with 130 pax would not be found crossing oceans. A BBJ with 15 pax and extended tanks, maybe.

But obviously in todays modern day of aviation, it is possible.
 
Military does it all the time with C-40s. Basically 737-700s with no aux tanks, so just the same 46k that a normal 700 carries. Requires fuel stops in Lajes or St. Johns sometimes depending on the winds, so it wouldn't be a great plane to plan full load all throughout the year type civilian passenger flying, but it definitely will do it.
 
Dizel8 said:
I thought Lufty was still using PrivatAir's A-319? Wonder if they got their own 73 for the Bussinessclass service A/C.
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They use a 737-700 to Munich, and an A319 to Duseldorf (from ORD and EWR) for Lufthansa. They also use a 738 from IAH to Amsterdam for KLM, and a 737-800 from EWR to Zurich for Swissair. That would be cramped, going IAH to AMS. I flew the 738 for one year and thought ATL to PDX was ridiculously long in that thing.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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I think CAL is working on ETOPS for their 737's now. Had a bud tell me they were doing proving/test runs from Houston to ANC. Planning on running them to Europe.
 
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This month I took one of our 737-800 from Oakland-Hawaii-Marshall Islands-Australia-Philippines-South Korea-Anchorage. A week later I flew KPSM-KEF-OTP(Bucharest, Romania) and back. I really don't think too may of you guys have any idea of what this aircraft is really capable of.

We are ETOPS 180 approved by the way. Its a great airplane!! We fly the -800 all over the world. I have done EWR-STN several times without any problems. We also do Baltimore-Azores-Venice once a week. It's not the most comfortable ride in the world, but if you only have 50-100 passengers it's really not that bad.
 
CAL already has ETOPS on all the 737-NG's and does not, I repeat not plan on taking them to Europe. They are not doing proving runs from IAH to ANC, they are running scheduled passanger flights from IAH to ANC and have been on the -800 for a long time. Your bud, what exactly does he do?
 
KeroseneSnorter said:
I think CAL is working on ETOPS for their 737's now. Had a bud tell me they were doing proving/test runs from Houston to ANC. Planning on running them to Europe.
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Why would you need ETOPS to go from IAH to ANC? You barely even get over the water on that route.
 
Wiggums said:
Why would you need ETOPS to go from IAH to ANC? You barely even get over the water on that route.
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Not for ANC...sometimes the trips to the Carrib need to be ETOPS b/c Bermuda wx is down...I've heard the 900ERs might go to Shannon, but that's as far as they'll go across the pond

dk
 
PltSkiracer said:
We are ETOPS 180 approved by the way. Its a great airplane!! We fly the -800 all over the world.
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I agree, it's a great airplane - for the medium-haul market. Please don't take offense, but you need a standard of comparison. The 738 cockpit is very loud, very cramped, the seats are awful, compared to a 767 or 777. The 777 cockpit is like a small condo. Plenty of room to stretch, quiet, incredibly user friendly with data-link position reports, SATCOM, all the goodies.

B-777 is the long-haul winner, BUT - best crew rest accomidation award goes to the MD-11, whose bunk beds would rent as a studio apartment in NYC. The B-777 bunks are horribly placed. Every clattering pan, dropped fork, every little thing in the galley is heard clear as can be, and you can't get in or out without waking the other dude up.
 
IAHERJ said:
CAL already has ETOPS on all the 737-NG's and does not, I repeat not plan on taking them to Europe. They are not doing proving runs from IAH to ANC, they are running scheduled passanger flights from IAH to ANC and have been on the -800 for a long time. Your bud, what exactly does he do?
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He is in the training department at CAL.

Just what I was told.
 
Not all routes require B777's or Md-11's.

The real problem with the B737 and ETOPS routes is that it's not the best airplane for the job. The longest ETOPS route in the world is HI to the mainland. There's also a lot of competition for this route.

Aloha and CAL have had ETOPS for a while and Aloha has been flying to the mainland for a couple of years with -700's since they got them. ATA started this service since last winter. I hear Alaska is getting ETOPS soon as well.

The real problem with the B737 is payload capacity. The real money comes from hauling frieght to some of these destinations. With a full pax load, you're extremely limited in cargo capacity.

The more idea airframe in my opinion is the B757.

Another problem with the B737 and ETOPS is no RAT. You have to run the APU during the ETOPS segment for backup electrics.
 
Lufthansa Private Air, I think is there name runs 737 out of EWR to Europe out of terminal b daily. I was told it was configured to about 30 to 40 seats. Yes all are CAL 73NG are ETOPS. I believe all the 73 flying out of GUAM is ETOPS. When Bermuda is closed at night then we have to do ETOPS to PONCE, PR.
 
No offense taken and I totally agree with you. The 737 is a medium-haul aircraft. It was never designed for the long haul market. It is indeed very cramped and loud in the cockpit.
What makes the airplane great for us is the fact that it can be used on the short, medium and long haul market and still be somewhat economical. We have the option to fly to shorter runways and we can cross the pond.

Maybe one day i'll be able to enjoy the luxury and comfort of a 767/747/777/MD11. Until than im stuck with the 737.
 
Wiggums said:
You barely even get over the water on that route.
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ETOPS does not necessarily mean that you will be over water, but anytime you are farther than 60 minutes (single-engine @ 10K I believe)from an adequate alternate airport. So anytime you are over a rather desolate landscape you may have to comply with ETOPS rules as well.
 
Any part of the route that contains a point further than 60 minutes flying time(425NM on the 737-800) from an edequate airport at the approved one engine inoperative criusing speed. Engine Turns Or Passenger Swim.

And you are correct this could be over land as well. Have seen his in Russia.
 

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