65 year old pilot strokes out inflight!

[Fubijaakr]

You guys crack me up with this reduced payscale talk.

Have at it. Everyone deserves a dream.

 

[Flopgut]

"You could hear the apprehension in his voice over the radio and the frustration he was experiencing," said radar controller Richard Eggleton. "I kept saying 'Are you visual?' and he would reply 'No sir, negative, I'm sorry sir.' He kept on apologizing."

Profusely apologizing suggests he knew he was symptomatic. Seems clear he regrets being in that position and perhaps knew better.

Of course, I would expect no less than the same from anybody who desperately has to fly to 65. You know, the same clowns who got this rule changed.

 

[Andy Neill]

I agree a pay scale such as that would be fair. But the age 65 pay needs to equal first year pay.

$200k
$150k
$100k
$50k
$25k

ALPA pay tables max out after 12 years as the level of productivity and proficiency is marginal to non-existent after 12 years. Therefore, as productivity and efficiency wanes in the last five years of slacker geezers career so should his respective pay.

Hard to believe you would support your pay being cut after 12 years at the company or age 60 whichever comes first. That's really quite generous of you but your comrades on the flight deck might not agree.

 

[FoxHunter]

Profusely apologizing suggests he knew he was symptomatic. Seems clear he regrets being in that position and perhaps knew better.

Of course, I would expect no less than the same from anybody who desperately has to fly to 65. You know, the same clowns who got this rule changed.

I don't think he had to fly. The rules never were changed for him in any case. The fact is that you are talking about a guy flying a C-182.
http://www.pprune.org/d-g-general-aviation-questions/350128-lucky-chap-indeed.html

I hope you are a little better informed when you're doing your F/O duties, but reading your posts over the last few years I have my doubts.

 

[Flopgut]

I don't think he had to fly. The rules never were changed for him in any case. The fact is that you are talking about a guy flying a C-182.
http://www.pprune.org/d-g-general-aviation-questions/350128-lucky-chap-indeed.html

I hope you are a little better informed when you're doing your F/O duties, but reading your posts over the last few years I have my doubts.

"I don't think he had to fly"? Is that really how you want to word that? Doesn't matter if it's a Cessna or your widebody, no one has to fly. You can't nurture a proper safety culture and leverage a more likely incapacitation against ones need for money.

If you think things like this don't eventually come to bear on us simply because it was a Cessna you are incorrect.

It's Captain Flopgut.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

That's really quite generous of you but your comrades on the flight deck might not agree.

Over 60 pilots are not my comrades. They are the enemy just like those that cross picket lines. They are equal in status.

 

[Andy Neill]

Over 60 pilots are not my comrades. They are the enemy just like those that cross picket lines. They are equal in status.

I was referring to those over 12 years of service also many of whom are under 60.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I was referring to those over 12 years of service also many of whom are under 60.

I was not referring to those with 12 years of pay being penalized. just those over 60 whatever their pay scale year.

The over 60+ age pilots still on the pay scale are the issue.

 

[Nindiri]

You youngsters sure do whine a lot. :laugh:

 

[Andy Neill]

I was not referring to those with 12 years of pay being penalized. just those over 60 whatever their pay scale year.

The over 60+ age pilots still on the pay scale are the issue.

You're the one that said over 60s should be penalized for lack of productivity and that productivity went down after 12 years so I thought you were going to be fair all the way and cut the pay after 12 years. What did I miss?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Over 60 pilots are not my comrades. They are the enemy just like those that cross picket lines. They are equal in status.

You are one sick, greedy puppy. Guess what? The law has changed and it won't change back as long as the US is a member of ICAO.

That's what changed the law, not the pilot's lobbying groups.

Get a grip, man. You'll get your Captain seat soon enough. And then some young whippersnapper just like you will be pushing YOU to retire.

What goes around comes around, my friend.

 

[Flopgut]

You are one sick, greedy puppy. Guess what? The law has changed and it won't change back as long as the US is a member of ICAO.

That's what changed the law, not the pilot's lobbying groups.

Get a grip, man. You'll get your Captain seat soon enough. And then some young whippersnapper just like you will be pushing YOU to retire.

What goes around comes around, my friend.

You don't get it Tool Bag! It's really not about the age. What happened is guys like you campaigned for someone else's job. It was about the seniority. No one came back; No one wanted the job if it didn't include the seniority. So obviously that's all it was about. The due process of seniority progression will resume all too soon for some like yourself. The question/concern we are trying to verbalize is: Are you going to attempt the same sort of stunt again? Are you going to change your behavior and become reliable? Do we have to worry about more seniority aggression out of you? Obviously you don't want to help the profession, would it be too much to ask that you not further burden it?

 

[Fubijaakr]

It may interest you to know 2 things.

1. I didn't campaign to change the age.
2. I'm still planning on leaving at 60.

And as far as taking someone else's job...if you can't hold the left seat now, it isn't your job...yet.

 

[Flopgut]

It may interest you to know 2 things.

1. I didn't campaign to change the age.
2. I'm still planning on leaving at 60.

And as far as taking someone else's job...if you can't hold the left seat now, it isn't your job...yet.

If no one respects career progression under age 60, then can we expect them to under 65? Doesn't really matter what you (or I) say we'll do.

 

[Fubijaakr]

What irks me is that you make the assumption that anyone who takes a contrary position to yours actively campaigned to change the Age law. It hurt me just as much as it hurt you, my friend.