50 seat pay vs 70 seat pay

[supermx]

Hey after reading all the thoughts on here about you pilots discussing 50 seat pay vs 70 seat pay, I am beginning to think that us mechanics should get paid more for working on the 70 seats too. I mean it is bigger, so there would be more area to check, right?

 

[~~~^~~~]

You forget. If your car is in the Company parking lot for 340 hours a month, you are getting paid 340 hours. If our car is in the parking lot for 340 hours a month, we are getting paid for 80.

When we are on the phone deferring stuff, you are getting paid. We aren't.

The only bonus we get are all those Leatherman(s) and those other tools you leave around the airplane. If I could only get someone to leave a good quiet air compressor and a bead blaster.....

And furthermore, if your union can negotiate larger pay rates for larger airplanes.... go for it. We will support you in your negotiations.

 

[supermx]

You forget. If your car is in the Company parking lot for 340 hours a month, you are getting paid 340 hours. If our car is in the parking lot for 340 hours a month, we are getting paid for 80.

When we are on the phone deferring stuff, you are getting paid. We aren't.

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You forget while the autopilot is flying the plane you are getting paid. You forget when I am at work I am working.
I was on another forum with mostly mechanics and they were talking about whether mechanics were stupid or greedy working for some of our wages. The guy said we are stupid, if we were greedy we would be working for pilots wages!

I think mechanics should get paid quite a bit more than we make. We have just as much responsibility as the pilots, just as many lives in our hands.

 

[chperplt]

You forget while the autopilot is flying the plane you are getting paid

Yes I am... Because I'm working.

I was on another forum with mostly mechanics and they were talking about whether mechanics were stupid or greedy

In your case, I think it's quite obvious.

 

[supermx]

Yes I am... Because I'm working.



In your case, I think it's quite obvious.

Haha I work for the wages I work because I enjoy my job!! Seems like the majority of the pilots on this board cant say.
I mean if all you pilots dont like what you are paid then why stay in the job...
oh right I know because you wouldnt have anything impressive to tell woman,

 

[Superpilot92]

You also forget the amount of training we go through alot of us with 4 year degrees. Not to mention the school loans. I am not saying that it is easy to get your a and p but we have to get 8 licenses through out our career just to get a job. You probably do get paid more for the aircraft size. I bet you make more than what you would working on cessnas.

 

[Flechas]

Haha
I mean if all you pilots dont like what you are paid then why stay in the job...
oh right I know because you wouldnt have anything impressive to tell woman,

What a goon you are, you came here complaining abut the pay too, so if you don't like what you are getting paid, then why stay on the job.... oh right I know, because you don't know how to do anything else!

Go back to the other board and leave us alone, we like what we do and we love complaining about the pay!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I have a few pilot friends that started as mechanics and ended up pilots. Go get your ratings. Shouldn't set you back more than 40-50K. After you've spent 2, 5, or 10 years working low paying crappy and sometimes dangerous jobs you too will be "living the dream" as a pilot. Although you'll be away from home more than half the time I'm sure the wife and kids will adjust. Be sure to eat healthy and exercise. You lose the medical and the career is over.

 

[chperplt]

Haha I work for the wages I work because I enjoy my job!!

I think you missed my point there sport.

 

[supermx]

You also forget the amount of training we go through alot of us with 4 year degrees. Not to mention the school loans. I am not saying that it is easy to get your a and p but we have to get 8 licenses through out our career just to get a job. You probably do get paid more for the aircraft size. I bet you make more than what you would working on cessnas.

I understand that, I have a bachelors in Aviation Maint. Management.
We dont really get paid more for aircraft size where I work, but someplaces you can make more working on bigger aircraft.
I think all of us in the industry just need to be happy that we have jobs!

 

[supermx]

I think you missed my point there sport.

No I think you missed my point there sport, you are trying to say I am stupid. Got ya!

 

[Reebo]

I think mechanics should get paid quite a bit more than we make. We have just as much responsibility as the pilots, just as many lives in our hands.

remeber when you correct our mistakes, its just a logbook entry. when we correct yours, lives are at stake!

 

[supermx]

remeber when you correct our mistakes, its just a logbook entry. when we correct yours, lives are at stake!

Now that makes no sense, when I correct your mistakes its just a logbook entry, so the maintenance I do an aircraft has no relation to the lives that are flying on a plane??

 

[Superpilot92]

I am very happy that i have a job with the company in my home town. I am from Houston and work for XJET. I love it here. I do believe we deserve more money. I dont know if you realize it but In my first year of employment here i will probably make less than 20K. You are a joke if you think that is respectable wages for the amount of work it takes to even quailify to apply for this job. Truth is I love my job and would never trade it for a desk job but we do deserve to make a decent living.

 

[Reebo]

Now that makes no sense, when I correct your mistakes its just a logbook entry, so the maintenance I do an aircraft has no relation to the lives that are flying on a plane??

of course it does, if you dont fix it, we dont fly it. all of your work occurs on the ground where injuries to pax are not very common, however a mx issue that occurs in the air can have grave consequences to those onboard.

 

[supermx]

of course it does, if you dont fix it, we dont fly it. all of your work occurs on the ground where injuries to pax are not very common, however a mx issue that occurs in the air can have grave consequences to those onboard.

right I have to work on the ground, kinda hard to fix a plane in the air, so the maintenance I sign off is just not a "logbook entry" like you said.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Hey, nobody is saying mechanics don't work hard. But is you are comparing wages, most regional airline mechanics make the same, if not more, than most regional Captains. Also, more often than not, the mechanic gets to spend the night in his own bed, which if you have a family is a big deal. Most pilots are working a 12 - 14 hour scheduled day, which also gets old after a while.

But as far as the job goes, when I'm working on my airplane, I can call friends, call the manufacturer, call the overhaul shop, take it apart and try it again. When I am flying to Cat II minimums, I've only got one shot to get it right.

~~~^~~~

 

[Reebo]

right I have to work on the ground, kinda hard to fix a plane in the air, so the maintenance I sign off is just not a "logbook entry" like you said.

i guess it all depends on how you look at it. all a pilot has to go by is a "logbook entry" from mx. planes are worked on in the hanger or items can be fixed days before a pilot flies a particular airplane. we trust that with the correct "logbook entry" that the plane will perform as it should. didnt mean to offend you. my point is we can be killed due to a "logbook entry" but you just end up in court.

 

[nimtz]

I think all of us in the industry just need to be happy that we have jobs!

Which low level management douche bag got send in here this time? Hey buddy if your going to come at us talking flowery gay talk then go back to your wrench broad. Ever seen any of the guys on here question what a mechanic makes? Mind your own business if all you got is we should just be happy to have jobs.

 

[Flechas]

I think supermx is training....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
You do not get what you are worth, you get what you negotiate. Want more, collectively bargain or get a new career. Quit whining!
PBR

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Hey after reading all the thoughts on here about you pilots discussing 50 seat pay vs 70 seat pay, I am beginning to think that us mechanics should get paid more for working on the 70 seats too. I mean it is bigger, so there would be more area to check, right?

Not at Mesa or CHQ!

 

[michael707767]

I think mechanics should get paid quite a bit more than we make. We have just as much responsibility as the pilots, just as many lives in our hands.

Uh huh, and if you fu*k up and the airplane has a serious malfunction, will you be there to help me try and land it, or will you be safe and sound on the ground, sipping your coffee? Face it, you have no lives in your hands.

 

[SlapShot]

Besides, if you are working on a bigger airplane, aren't there just more mechanics working on it?

Now I know I do not much about fixing airplanes, but as airplanes get more complex, aren't they easier to fix? Isn't there less trouble shooting because the computer tells you exactly what is wrong with it?

Now your response may be that the job of the pilot has gotten easier as well. However pilots get paid based on what they are capable of doing. So with more lives behind us, that equals more responsibility which should equal more Benjamines.

 

[Biatch5]

Besides, if you are working on a bigger airplane, aren't there just more mechanics working on it?

Now I know I do not much about fixing airplanes, but as airplanes get more complex, aren't they easier to fix? Isn't there less trouble shooting because the computer tells you exactly what is wrong with it?

Now your response may be that the job of the pilot has gotten easier as well. However pilots get paid based on what they are capable of doing. So with more lives behind us, that equals more responsibility which should equal more Benjamines.

It's all about da benjamins

 

[91100 100 set]

I can pee farther than any of you...

 

[64II]

i don't understand what all the bashing is about? the fact is both pilots and mechanics have a tremendous amount of responsibility with the jobs. both jobs require training and licenses, even though the flight ratings are quite a bit more, but both require alot of time and testing. yeah it's true it's the pilot's a$$ in the air, but you think mechanics are just slapping things together thinking, aw, if this thing goes in it'll only kill a hundred or so people no big deal there's plenty more planes and plenty more pax. come on, the fact is we're all under the microscope and we're all under payed for what we do. arguing amonst the groups is exactly what management loves, it diverts the attention from the fact that they're filling their pockets with the working classes retirement.

 

[Superpilot92]

i don't understand what all the bashing is about? the fact is both pilots and mechanics have a tremendous amount of responsibility with the jobs. both jobs require training and licenses, even though the flight ratings are quite a bit more, but both require alot of time and testing. yeah it's true it's the pilot's a$$ in the air, but you think mechanics are just slapping things together thinking, aw, if this thing goes in it'll only kill a hundred or so people no big deal there's plenty more planes and plenty more pax. come on, the fact is we're all under the microscope and we're all under payed for what we do. arguing amonst the groups is exactly what management loves, it diverts the attention from the fact that they're filling their pockets with the working classes retirement.

Roger that!

 

[Dan CFI/CFII]

"Face it, you have no lives in your hands."

Come on now, that's a little shortsighted isn't it? I've mowed the grass on both sides of the fence, and that's just not right.

There are some maintenance issues that no pilot can ever hope to fly his way out of. Mechanics absolutely have lives in their hands, the difference is that it is not their life that is in those hands. Most mechanics I have worked with are absolutely aware of that fact, and if you've seen work stop in a large shop to find a missing pair of pliers (not just stop, but every airplane recently worked on my said mechanic opened back up to find the missing tool), you'd understand that no mechanic wants to have doubts about the work they have done. I know guys who have lost sleep over inspections, because they couldn't specifically remember looking at a certain item. These guys drove to the airport in the middle of the night to check that they did look at it and sign it off.

But that's not to say that the pilot isn't a critical piece in this puzzle. If a mechanic doesn't remember exactly how to perform a certain function, a repair manual is always available (and actually required) for consultation. Us pilots have to be ready to perform any of the functions our airplanes are capable of. Whether it's dealing with a bus tie that keeps tripping, or an engine fire, we've got to be able to do things correctly, quickly.

Overall, I'd say that mechanics are better paid than pilots. But perhaps that's because I don't have grey hair and have only had crappy flying jobs so far. When it comes down to it, there are a bunch of pilots willing to fly for the percieved glamour of the job (and I could tell stories of the glamour, oh how glamourous). But there isn't the same allure to turning wrenches for a living. Changing the oil on a turbine engine is roughly the same as changing the oil in my pickup, and rerigging the controls on a 1900 is eerily similar to replacing the tie rods on a car--but with better instructions and more expensive parts.

But when it comes down to it, a pilot making 36K a year and a Mechanic making 36K a year are in pretty dissimilar situations. That pilot is on the road for over half the month, doesn't get the benefit of a regular schedule, and is probably hurried through much of his waking hours by a rigid schedule. That mechanic has been home enough for the wife to nag him a bit, arrived at work at the same time for the past eternity, and will go home at the same time and get into the same traffic jam he did that morning. The pilot is likely not being paid if the engines aren't running, and the mechanic clocked in as soon as he walked in the door, and will be paid until he walks out of the door. Of course the pilot isn't cutting his hands on safety wire, trying to jam his arms into some rediculously small space to spill hydraulic fluid all over them, nor has the pilot ever had to wake up at night and worry about a trip that they flew the previous day.

Yeah, let's all point fingers at how overpaid or underworked pilots or mechanics are. Frankly, there are some overpaid/underworked pilots out there, and some mechanics who are greatly overcompensated for the work they do (or avoid doing), but to consider an entire group as being so is simply stupid and solves nothing. Some of you need to grow up.

Oh, and obviously you've never gotten into a peeing contest with me, I can pee farther and spell my name in cursive! Ha!

Dan

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

This is an entirely stupid thread.

But to add to it, when the pilot screws up, the pilot might die. When the mechanic screws up, the pilot might die (B1900 crash in CLT).