50% of Mesaba CRJ fleet gone... to Compass

[mavdog]

Wow... NW really knows how to run a business! Have two regionals with 1 CRJ each... I think a bonus is in store for the higher-ups.

 

[flap operator]

What Mavdog is saying is that the XJ employees just got kicked in the ball$ once again. Our "leader" spongebob jingle pants put out a letter to the employees telling us that NWA has decided to remove one of our 2 CRJs so that Compass can operate it. The games are getting dirty... again. Just squeeze and turn and pull until we break. Unfortunately I don't think it'll happen this time.

Thanks mainline for helping the whipsaw continue! My gawd, if you didn't see the whip waiting to be cracked here, you really are selfish dillusional ba$tards.


FO

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

And why couldn't they take one of the Pinnacle planes that had already been parked?

 

[wmudriver]

Wow...a "sky is falling" memo that didn't come on out a Friday.

I think they will be putting our junk in vise and squeezing until the decision on April 25 comes out or a TA is reached.

Another decision that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This game is getting old.

 

[Markm1811]

50% of CRJ to compass

Didn't a 9E station fairly recently half the Mesaba CRJ fleet with a well placed tug or baggage cart. Do you still have 2 planes in the air ?.

Midnight Brit.
Resting..

 

[CFIfornow]

Didn't a 9E station fairly recently half the Mesaba CRJ fleet with a well placed tug or baggage cart. Do you still have 2 planes in the air ?.

Midnight Brit.
Resting..

Plane was back on the line a week later. No time frame for the CRJ to go. Oh well, I don't think there's much difference between on or two CRJs.

 

[FO for life]

wmudriver:

today is friday to management - tomorrow being "Good Friday" means Spongebob and friends will most likely take the day off...plus nobody wants bad news on Good Friday.

FO

 

[saabservant]

Hey Mark Mclain and Duane Woerth: How's that Brand Scope coming? Any end to the whipsaw in sight? Career progression looking good for all on the farm?
How about that pay-to-play battle? How's the fight going on that front?

Don't worry, the pilots here will hold the line, even if your mainline pukes throw us under the bus. How's your revenue stream and your losses doing after we have to shut this place down in three weeks? Coming out of bankruptcy any time soon?
Who is going to subsidize your pay and retirement, and provide feed then?
Think your masters can get compass up and running that fast?

These mgmt tactics are getting tired and old, but the only thing more pathetic is how mainline negotiators and mec are letting them do it.
Nice Unity.

STFD!!!

 

[fieldinsight]

And why couldn't they take one of the Pinnacle planes that had already been parked?

Those 15 weren't just "parked". They were returned to the lessors. The only real surprise here is that NWA didn't take both, in order for Compass to have a spare.

 

[gnx99]

^ Good point! How can they plan on running 1 airplane for a full year? One ramp mishap and the entire "airline" is shut down for a week. Whatever

 

[sleddriver77]

In order to keep the certificate alive, a carrier is required to have "exclusive use" of at least one airplane.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Not only that, if NW was to remove all of our CRJ's, I believe the CRJ would disappear off of our certificate and OpSpecs???, hence no more bid on the current RFP...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

How about something revolutionary? It seems that lately we are hearing expressions of things that don't have any precedent in the industry, right?
How about this precedent? A single fleet strike! Tell them, take them both Biotch!

 

[CubanSmoker]

I like the idea of a whole fleet strike, but since there are hardly 20 pilots total on the CRJ, it would be little more than a usual day's worth of sick calls.

 

[SEVEN]

Or how about this: Northwest will eventually shift both of XJ's CRJ to Compass and Mesaba will be getting 70 seaters. That's the plan all along.

 

[N2264J]

Re: 50% of Mesaba CRJ fleet gone...to Compass

...These mgmt tactics are getting tired and old, but the only thing more pathetic is how mainline negotiators and mec are letting them do it. Nice Unity.

It's not management tactics.

NWA70/Newco/SJet/Compass was proposed by mainline ALPA as a vehicle to employ Northwest furloughees. Management simply took them up on the offer. I doubt if the Mesaba and Pinnacle MECs were even notified of NWALPA's plan, let alone consulted, because their opinion is of no consequence anyway. Result - another alter ego to assert downward economic pressure on everybody including mainline.

Sooner or later, everyone will understand that the RJDC dispute is not about the size of the airframe - it's about equal representation.

 

[PCL_128]

Sooner or later, everyone will understand that the RJDC dispute is about equal representation.

You can keep saying that over and over again, but it's not any more true now than it was a few years ago. The RJDC is about nothing but greed and selfishness.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Alpa is in favor of compass because it was already able to negotiate a contract there. We know what compass's 70 seat contract is, however what is its 50 seat?

 

[kmox29]

Alpa is in favor of compass because it was already able to negotiate a contract there. We know what compass's 70 seat contract is, however what is its 50 seat?

ALPA is in favor of Compass because it "saves" mainline jobs. ALPA will always protect the mainline first at the expense of regional pilots. The NWA TA creates another low paid regional airline that is going to be used to whipsaw Pinnacle and Mesaba even more. Heck, Compass is already taking Mesaba aircraft away, and thus Mesaba pilot jobs.

But this is OK. Because we're bringing back NWA furloughs. If Mesaba or Pinnalce were to agree to our managements' term sheets and bottom out this industry in order to achieve growth, there would be an uproar. However, when a mainline pilot group adds to the problem of regionals growing with larger aircraft, everything's rosey.

Scope? Brand Scope? Solidarity? One seniority list?

Nevermind.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA is in favor of Compass because it "saves" mainline jobs.

Sadly, it doesn't even really do that. It just trades good jobs for bad. The real mainline jobs are replaced with Compass jobs that pay a fraction of mainline wages. Yeah, the furloughs have jobs, but not good ones. This TA is a joke, and the only people that truly benefit from it are the top quarter of the list at NWA.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

This is really turning out to be a fantastic couple of days... First we find out that one of our CRJ's is takin' a hike... Now we hear that all AVRO flying is done in MEM on June 8th.... Remember fellas, we're all livin' the dream...

50 RJ85 Captains and 40 FO's to be displaced.... And it all rolls downhill....

 

[gnx99]

^ Yep, more great news...

I wonder when the next furlough notice will be?

 

[wmudriver]

They are going to bend our arms until the 25th...hoping we'll cry "uncle"

 

[Workin'Stiff]

I was thinking the same thing... With that amount of people moving around, I'm thinking it's bound to happen...

 

[kmox29]

Sadly, it doesn't even really do that. It just trades good jobs for bad.

Hence the quotes around the word 'saves'.

 

[gnx99]

The quick and dirty numbers:

August 05: 90 Planes, 930 Pilots on the the list. 10.3 Pilots/Plane
May 06: 64 Planes, 770 Non-Furlough pilots. 12.0 Pilots/Plane

 

[blackbox]

Or how about this: Northwest will eventually shift both of XJ's CRJ to Compass and Mesaba will be getting 70 seaters. That's the plan all along.

Or Compass becomes the new Mesaba and old mesaba is gone. Or they just have saabs and keep XJ around just so it can whipsaw 3 airlines against each other as opposed to 2.

 

[pilotmyf]

How about something revolutionary? It seems that lately we are hearing expressions of things that don't have any precedent in the industry, right?
How about this precedent? A single fleet strike! Tell them, take them both Biotch!

You are a D0uchebag!!!!