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Gotta love it. We were the ones being attacked and it was us: 46, them: 0.
 
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Yeah, but the Commie News Network just had to throw in the sub-headline about this being the worst month for coalition casualties...

I guess that's their version of fair and balanced.:rolleyes:

Let's hope we can get some intel from the POW's. Better treat 'em with kid gloves or the JAG will be after you...TC
 
Let's hope we can get some intel from the POW's. Better treat 'em with kid gloves or the JAG will be after you...TC

What a joke that is!!!! What's wrong with a little torture among friends???
 
>>>What's wrong with a little torture among friends???<<<

Isn't that Wexford's new slogan?

*rimshot!*

Gosh I do crack myself up...

Thank you folks... I'll be here all week!
 
Glad the US could do their part in rushing these martyrs to Allah. I do hope that we help thousands more achieve paradise in the coming months.

I hereby appeal to all radical muslims: Go to Iraq now and battle the evil US. Paradise and virgins are waiting for you, but are in limited supply, so act now!
 
I hope this is kind of demoralizing for these black Muslim ninja morons. They sure skipped ambush101 when they were exchange students in Afghanistan because 0:46 (Thank God!) is kind of lame... but jokes aside I am sure that our guys were carrying some serious amount of luck with them. I mean superior training or not, an ambush by some 40-50 (perhaps more since 40-50 was the number of deaths) enemy could have easily become another very sad day. Anyways, as it is that was a size 13, made in USA boot in some Iraqi a$$. G1!
 
A successful operation on our part, to be sure, and thankfully we came out of it in good shape.

However, while I certainly hold no remorse for the loss of the enemy, these are dead soldiers. These weren't terrorists; these were soldiers, fighting for a cause in which they believed, and who probably held some fairly high moral viewpoints...just like you and I. "Scumbags" is a little childish and moronic to say the least.

I certainly celebrate and revel in victory, but I also take no pleasure in suffering or death of others. Congratulate our troops in their success; those who survived a successful op deserve it. But those against whom they fought were still people. You have no more right to life than they do. Not under our flag, not under God. Don't you forget that.

To take a life in pursuit of a righteous cause is acceptable. It's never okay to disparage the life taken, or celebrate the loss. Killing is often necessary, but it's always tragic. To celebrate death and disparage the dead only lowers yourself in ignorance. Don't do that.
 
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Avbug,

I rarely disagree with you, and respect you tremendously. I strongly disagree that we are dealing with soldiers over there. At best they are un-uniformed mercenaries. Half of them are from other countries with no identifying insignia whatsoever.

I will agree that they are poor, misguided fools that think they have signed on to a noble cause. I suppose for them it is not a bad way to die then, thinking they are making the world safe for believers or despots, depending upon their employer.

But, to call them soldiers defies any logic I am familiar with. Insurgents, maybe. The foreigners are terrorists, pure and simple.
 
Bart,

Thanks for your comments. Weather these people are soldiers are not is really not material. Some of them were, some weren't. Some were in uniform. The uniform of a defeated regime, but again, that's not particularly relevant. These were individuals fighting against us; the enemy, but never the less, human beings.

To kill one's enemy is part and parcel with fighting one's enemy. Celebrating victory is appropriate. Urinating in the gouged eyeballs of one's enemy or drinking a toast in their blood, is not. Simply because we fight and kill, doesn't mean that we need to celebrate the numbers or the loss. Only the victory.

I didn't know a soul among the dead, but I also suspect that no one else here did, either. How does one classify them as "scum?" To my knowledge, they were unknown combatants with weapons who lost an encounter. I am relieved, and pleased to hear that we survived this encounter, but I am always respectful of the loss of life to either side.

If we rise up in defense of our farms and fields, standing shoulder to shoulder in flannel shirts with Marlin lever action rifles and Ruger carbines...farmers and not soldiers who lose lives in the face of combat, does that make our own deaths any less meaningful? Hardly. It places us in the face of being defenders fighting because we see fit to fight.

These aren't mercenaries who have come to fight because it's a great living. These are people who hate us as a country, as a political entity, as an invading force.

We invade and ruin countries, and then pull out. It's what we do. It's what we're known for doing. We rally people behind us, let them go to war, and leave them hanging. We promise help, meet our own objectives, and then leave the masses to die...much like we did ten years ago, flying overhead long columns of Kurds who were being gassed and shelled and shot...people who rose up at the request of our president, and then died as our president didn't lift a finger to help them.

We wonder why these people don't like us? Arabs in general? It's a complex issue on many levels, but the bottom line for them right now, in that place, is that we we fought a "war" and are occupying their country. Is that reason enough to strike back, to rebel, and to fight and die? It's been good enough since the inception of our own country and constitution. Let it be no surprise that it's equally motivating to an arab.

Let's face it; we're lying in our own filth; the true terrorists we brought here and trained on our own shores, taught them in the deserts of Nevada and Arizona, and then sent them home with weapons and personnel to spread their craft. It suited our purposes at the time to train Osama himself...and now we've obliterated two countries (one, the poorest on earth) to clean up our own defecation.

We have young, honorable servicemen doing a job weather they wish to or not, carrying out orders and their duty with distinction. We have families losing their sons and husbands and fathers to a very indistinct and intangible front (the bush-conjured "war on terror"), in places we perhaps ought not be.

We have a commander in chief who continues to lie to the public, with a straight face, and a public who follows him like love-hungry lemmings when he pulls stupid publicity stunts such as flying to Iraq, or landing on a carrier (at the taxpayer expense).

We have a war fought not because we need to be there, but because it, and the circumstances which dictated it, were created by our own adminsitration as a failing to do what was promised in campaign slogans and talks. We have the real time enactment of the imaginary tale told in the movie Canadian Bacon; a war and an enemy has been fabricated, and we are fighting and dying out of rage from acts that had their birth on this side of the pond.

We are taking pleasure and mirth and the death and suffering of others. The truth is, it sickens me.
 
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True HATE

Avbug,

I've been over in the middle east, and I've gained an understanding of what motivates our enemies over there.

The typical Arab on the street is one of two folks. First type is one who is intrigued by America, but intimidated at the same time by the huge chasm that exists between his culture and ours. The second is the Arab that subscribes to the generally very strong pro-Arab nationalism and pride, and is whipped up by the Arab media into blaming America for all the troubles and backwardness of his culture.

Then you have the fundamentalists. These are the ones that actually take up arms and go to Iraq and Afghanistan. They aren't Iraq, nor are they Tajik or Pashtun. But they take up arms against the United States.

I've gathered a unique insight from seeing these folks first-hand in Arab cities, and reading the incindiary media stories. These folks are evil. Pure and simple. Political reasons, religous reasons...it's all a facade to cover up their true hatred of everything they don't understand. It's the same kind of hatred that envelopes the neo-Nazi folks...the same hatred that provokes the KKK. They HATE you and I, for no reason other than the fact that we're different, we're successful, and they are not.

We've made political mistakes with other peoples in other countries, yet they do not celebrate the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children. We invaded Mexico countless times, and took half their country and humiliated them in a war. Yet they don't drive across the border and blow up random targets. The Mexicans may remember some of the mistakes we made with them, but they don't HATE us.

The vast majority of the "Iraqi Resistance" (to use an anti-war group's phrase) is comprised of Ba'athist die-hards, and Muslim fundamentalists from many nations that have heeded the call for hate and have arrived to not only kill Americans, but kill Iraqis who work towards an American-friendly (and thus worldly) Iraq.

Just like neo-Nazis used pipe bombs to kill random civilian targets in the American Northwest to intimidate those who didn't believe in their radical ideals, these thugs are doing the same, but in a larger format. The key difference is Iraq was a totalitarian state, and democratic ideals are foreign to them. Second, Iraqis, compared to Americans, are not anywhere near as educated, and thus more prone to hate speech. Third, they are a country without a defined identity, and in this crucial period, some are choosing to identify with the radical hate groups such as the Fedayeen and al Qaeda.

In 1930s Germany, a handful of radicals whipped up an entire nation into believing a group of successful citizens were to blame for that country's maladies. These objects of hate were different...different religion, didn't believe in the right God, they had money while others did not. Yet Adolph Hitler motivated ordinary Germans to line up German jews, even toddlers who could barely walk, and shoot them all cold, and bury them dead and alive.

That level of hate is what we are dealing with when it comes to al Qaeda and the other muslim fundamentalist groups. It is evil. It's not a political contest. It's not a reminder of how bad America treats muslims. It's not a simple cultural misunderstanding. It's pure unbridled hate.

Even if America pulled out of the region...even if the world suddenly realized that America was the largest donater to Mideast peace and gave the most to ease financial plight (we are, by the way), they would hate us. They hate you. They hate me. They hate America, and they hate us all individually. To them you're nothing but a cheap, adulterous, cowardly American hiding behind his excess and technology. To them, you don't even know the tip of the iceberg when it comes to honor and courage, for they believe that feeling is reserved only for them, and only if they kill enough of us.

To them, it's a simple matter of "I'm better than you are, and because you're inferior, you don't deserve to live". Don't believe me? Go to the middle east and get your hands on some of the radical newspapers and pamplets. It's an eye-opener.
 
Avbug... Have you served? Just curious..

LU
 
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"Scumbags" is a little childish and moronic to say the least.

I certainly celebrate and revel in victory, but I also take no pleasure in suffering or death of others. To celebrate death and disparage the dead only lowers yourself in ignorance. Don't do that.

I agree 100%. War is horrible, my brother left for Baghdad today and I pray for his return.
 
It sounds to me that an argument is being mounted that amounts to an equivalancy of moral nature here. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because the Iraqi enemy sees us as invaders that they are somehow "right" and worthy of our respect in any sense, and that they are acting as we would in repelling invaders of America. They are in the wrong as supporters of an oppressive regime that we recently saw on captured video tapes, and as those who are responsible for over 100 mass burial sites.

For me, that makes them scumbags. Scumbags who must have known, on some visceral level, that what they were doing was wrong. They are mislead by a counterfeit "god", and led by a brutal oppressor.

They deserve what they get if they fail to choose the surrender option.
 
To get an idea of what hueypilot is talking about, just check out Al-Jazeerah's english version website...pure propaganda.

http://english.aljazeera.net/


Here's a taste...

*************Al-Jazeerah crap follows********
US and British occupation of Iraq is regarded as the re-emergence of the old colonialist practices of the western empires in some quarters. The real ambitions underlying the brutal onslaught are still highly questionable - and then there are the blatant lies over weapons of mass destruction originally used to justify the war. There were no great victory marches by the occupiers, nor were they thrown garlands of flowers and greeted in triumph. More US soldiers have died in Iraq since George Bush declared an end to the war on 1 May 2003 prompting the question: Will Iraq turn into a new Vietnam eventually bringing the US to its senses ... or perhaps to its knees?

Iraq's history, and along with it that of the Arab Muslim world, speaks of several similar encounters. In the past, enemies attacked from East and West before they were swallowed by the moving sands of the region, or forced to retreat, leaving behind a phoenix-like people who adore life and still accept to die for their freedom.

The escalating Iraqi resistance seems to be setting the stage for another act which might usher in a new Arab World or set the clock ticking for the end of yet another empire.
 
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Chunk..

You sure that isn't CNN you are quoting.. It sounds so familar!!

LU
 
They're SCUMBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel bad on the most basic of levels for a loss of human life, but that is where it stops because there is good and evil in this world, and these people in my book are evil.

I see some of our soldiers on my plane as they rotate in and out of Iraq, and as far as I am concerned, these nutsacks that are trying to kill them can kiss my ass.
 
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Mystery shrouds whereabouts of bodies of 54 insurgents said killed by US

SAMARRA, Iraq (AFP) - The US military said it believed 54 insurgents were killed in intense exchanges in the northern Iraqi town of Samarra the previous day but commanders admitted they had no bodies.




The only corpses at the city's hospital were those of ordinary civilians, including two elderly Iranian pilgrims and a child.


US Brigadier General Mark Kimmit told a Baghdad press conference that 54 militants had been gunned down, 22 wounded and one arrested.


But challenged about what had happened to the bodies, Kimmit said: "I would suspect that the enemy would have carried them away and brought them back to where their initial base was."

(After a succesful firefight in which most of the enemy was killed, with no U.S deaths would'nt the soldiers follow or chase the last remaining enemy to their base? arent they hunting and looking for these base's? it seems if the details of the firefight were true, U.S soldiers were heavily armed and backed and would have had the ability to go after the last few remaining enemy fighters from that battle?? we need truth not propoganda, remember Jessica Lynch? I dont have any military training, I am just asking questions, if I am wrong in thinking they would go after the remining fighters let me know s.o.s.jtb)

Asked about reports from senior police and hospital officials in the town of eight civilians killed and dozens more wounded, the US general insisted: "We have no such reports whether from medical authorities or police.

A few hours earlier, Colonel Fredrick Rudesheim, who heads the 3rd Combat Brigades that was involved in Sunday's bloody clashes, told reporters that his troops had killed 46 and captured another 11.

"Are you asking me to produce (them)?" he asked, when questioned by reporters about the absence of any militants' bodies at Samarra's single hospital or on the city's streets.

"This is a good question and I think perhaps if you can interview the Fedayeen (a disbanded militia of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s ousted regime) or whoever attacked us, you might get a better answer."

Lieutenant Colonel Ryan Gonsalves, who commands the 166th Armored Battalion in Samarra, also said his troops were not in possession of the bodies.

The death toll, he said, "is based on the reports we got from the ground."

Lieutenant Joseph Marcee, who took part in Sunday's combat, said he saw several of the attackers lying dead on the ground.

"There was no time to pick up the bodies. We were receiving fire from other locations," he said.

Sergeant Nicholas Mullen, who fired rounds from an Abrams tank Sunday, offered yet another explanation for the army's inability to locate the corpses. "We don't stick around," he said.

The mystery, which borders on solving a mathematics equation, further deepened with Gonsalves' report.

According to him, a total of 60 militants, divided into two groups, attacked two convoys escorting new Iraqi currency to banks in the city.

Another four assailants in a BMW attacked a separate engineering convoy.

If the US troops killed 46 and captured 11 of them, only three of the survivors would have been left to pick up the corpses.

On Kimmit's figures the calculus becomes even hazier -- with 54 killed, 22 wounded and one captured, 13 militants remain unaccounted for, although both commanders did say the cash convoys also came under attack on their way in and out of the city.

As to how the troops came up with their casualty figures, Rudesheim said it was by counting their weapons.

"We don't indiscriminately engage people, only those who engage us with AK 47s and RPGs. That's how we determine the number of people we are engaging and, after talking with each soldier, we can tell just how many people are returning fire at us."

Residents in Samarra said they had not seen any of the militants' bodies, 46 or 54.

The head of the local hospital, Abed Tawfiq, reported eight dead civilians but no insurgents.

Ambulance driver Abdelmoneim Mohammed said he had not ferried any combattants wounded or killed and wearing the black Fedayeen outfit which US soldiers said their assailants wore.

"If I had seen bodies, I would have picked them up. It's not like the Americans would have done it.

"If the death toll had reached that announced by the Americans, the atmosphere in Samarra would be quite different."

Salaheddin Mawlud, a colonel in the former Iraqi army, who now heads Samarra city council's complaints office, said the American toll does not work.

"If there had been so many dead, we would have seen people rushing to the hospital, the police station or here, and it just didn't happen."

Abdelrizek Jadwa, who owns a grocery 50 meters (yards) from the scene of one of the attacks, said he did not have the shadow of a doubt.

"After the firing, I went out of my shop. There were no wounded, no killed on the streets. Where could they have disappeared?"
 
An AFP story. Forgive me for being skeptical, but I don't trust what they report any more than I trust the NY or LA Times.

We don't leave our soldiers behind either. Makes sense to me.
 

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