402....requires a 8410????

[PC12Cowboy]

OK OK does the Cessna 402 have a 8410????
I'm just curious, someone says current 8410 means immediate placement....so I just thought I'd ask the Pros

 

[FN FAL]

Do you mean 8410 MTOW?

I think POP 40 music requires at least that...

MIA01RA225On August 25, 2001, about 1845 eastern daylight time, a Cessna 402B, N8097W, registered to Skystream Inc. and operated by Blackhawk International Airways Inc, as a 14 CFR Part 135 air taxi flight, crashed shortly after takeoff from runway 27 at Marsh Harbour Airport, Bahamas. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time. A VFR flight plan was filed, but not activated. The airplane was destroyed, the commercial-rated pilot and eight passengers were fatally injured. The flight was originated at the time of the accident and was destined to Opa-Locka, Florida.

The airplane was seen lifting off the runway, and then nose down, impacting in a marsh on the south side of the departure end of runway 27. The baggage from the airplane was removed and weighed. The total weight of the luggage, fuel on board at the time of the accident, plus the weight of the passengers showed that the total gross weight of the airplane was substantially exceeded. Preliminary center of gravity calculations showed that the center of gravity was significantly outside the flight envelope past the aft center of gravity.

Preliminary information indicated that the pilot was not approved to act as pilot-in-command in the accident aircraft under 14 CFR Part 135. The owner of Blackhawk International Airways Inc, Mr. Gilbert Chacon, has only communicated to investigators through his attorney, and has not produced the aircraft or engine logbooks. The complete maintenance history of the airplane is unknown.

The engines and airframe were torn down and examined at Marsh Harbour; no discrepancies were found. The propellers will be shipped to Miami, Florida, for examination at a later date.

The investigation is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Civil Aviation, Nassau, Bahamas. This report is filed for informational purposes only and contains that information released by the Bahamian authorities. For additional information contact:

Director of Civil Aviation, Bahamas
P. O. Box N-975
Nassau, N. P. Bahamas
Phone: (242) 326-0339

 

[PC12Cowboy]

FN FAL...does it exceed 12500 lbs MTOW??? Don't know much about the plane.......or much about anything else....lol

 

[deez_nutz2000]

No...I dont think it is anywhere near 12500 lbs.

An 8410 means that you are part 135 current. Its just the form they use to on the prof. checkride. "Current 8410" is just an industry term and the reason they want it is so they can skimp on the costs of training and checkride, etc.

 

[PC12Cowboy]

But isnt an 8410...a type too? just breaking the magic 1200 hours so after many hours of instructing ...its time to start gathering knowledge And this forum is a great source of knoewledge

 

[FN FAL]

No...I dont think it is anywhere near 12500 lbs.

An 8410 means that you are part 135 current. Its just the form they use to on the prof. checkride. "Current 8410" is just an industry term and the reason they want it is so they can skimp on the costs of training and checkride, etc.

I hear ya home slice!

Just waiting for the "Due Process Models" to chime in.

 

[CUEBOAT]

No an 8410 is not a type rating. And no a cessna 402 does not have a type rating. 8410 is teh code for teh form needed to be current for 135. Similar to 8710 to take a checkride.

 

[FN FAL]

No an 8410 is not a type rating. And no a cessna 402 does not have a type rating. 8410 is teh code for teh form needed to be current for 135. Similar to 8710 to take a checkride.

But if you pay to get an 8410, you could get a job where you would be in a position to kill some Pop 40 people with your worldly knowledge of the PTS and all that good stuff...

 

[Rick1128]

"Current 8410" means the Form number 8410 which is the FAA checkride form for Part 121 and 135. The south Florida charter operators are infamous for insisting that you have one. They then run your butt off during "The Season" and when your currency runs out they let you go.

 

[ultrarunner]

I wasn't aware that a current 8410 could be used in liew of training under a different operators manual, ect...???

Are you saying FSDO's are letting folks jump between operators if they have a current 8410?

What about indoc training?

This doesn't sound right.

 

[groundpointsix]

I believe you are still required to go through indoc for each specific company. The point of asking for the 8410 is that they don't have to pay for your flight training.

 

[kilroy]

regardless of what 135 operator you come from you always have to do a 293a which is company specific indoc. The 8410 is just a name for a form that covers 299. yrly line check, 297. 6 month check and the 293a/b yearly check. Some fsdo's will accept another companies 135 indoc if they have the same aircraft and indoc type IE. the CTS program. But that is rare . Usually calls for the same B.S. company idoc.

I believe you are still required to go through indoc for each specific company. The point of asking for the 8410 is that they don't have to pay for your flight training.