400xp vs. Ultra

[freddriver20]

Quick question for the NetJets folks. I was just offered either a class in the 400xp or the Ultra. Can anyone make a quick comparison - upgrade times, pros and cons of the equipment, any issues I probably don't see as a new hire? Thanks!

 

[NJA Capt]

I was just offered either a class in the 400xp or the Ultra. Can anyone make a quick comparison - upgrade times, pros and cons of the equipment, any issues I probably don't see as a new hire?

Depends on your definition of pro and con.

The 400XP has less range but gets there quicker. It also has half the baggage space of the Ultra. But it has a "little" bit more room. The 400XPs still have the "new car" smell to them.

Oh yea....and Raytheon needs to get into 1990s and put single point fueling in the XP. (So no quick turns.)

 

[Grizz]

If I'm not mistaken, the 400XP also has TCAS. Pretty simple equation to me.

 

[g159av8tor]

My 800XP has single point capability. Turn time is a function of landing weight and brake cooling--either five minutes or 30 minutes outside the weight envelope.

Tailwinds...

 

[Diesel]

400xp has xm radio. Ultra has a cd player. I'd go with the 400xp

 

[Heavy Set]

You already have experience on the Beechjet - perhaps you should try the Ultra... I've heard good and bad things about both. At least you'll have shorter flights than the ones you are used to on the C5...

 

[minimums]

The ULTRA has something I consider a very valuable asset that the 400XP does not.........................FRIGGIN AILERONS!!

 

[NJA Capt]

My 800XP has single point capability.

The question was refering to the 400XP. See, you fly the REAL Hawker though. The Mitsubeechjet 400XP does not have a single point fuel connection. That is why I said no quick turns. No such thing when you have to overwing the fuel.

 

[Heavy Set]

The ULTRA has something I consider a very valuable asset that the 400XP does not.........................FRIGGIN AILERONS!!

Beyond the ailerons, any other good points to flying the Ultra? Doesn't seem to be too popular on these boards but it has to be better than the Bravo at CS - right? I've heard it is too slow and too warm up front with the big windows - but are there any good points beyond mostly short trips? Is it fun to fly?

 

[sweptwingz]

Yes, the Ultra is better than the Bravo. Good avionics (minus TCAS) great service ceiling, good second segment climb, and fun to fly. The only real negative is that ours are getting a little long in the tooth, and there is no APU.

 

[CRJ Driver]

You already have experience on the Beechjet - perhaps you should try the Ultra... I've heard good and bad things about both. At least you'll have shorter flights than the ones you are used to on the C5...

Don't listen to heavy set he's not a pilot.

 

[General Lee]

And how do you know that? He seems to know a lot about aviation and it seems he enjoys it. You do not, and it shows. Let me guess? You are in it for the money!!!



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[freddriver20]

Thanks for the info guys, I'm leaning towards the 400, mainly because training will be a lot easier (I hope!), and it sounds like a nice new shiny airplane. I'm about to go out and fly for 9 days in that big ol dirty C5 so the thought of a seat without 30 years of 'essence' embedded in the fabric sounds like a dream!

 

[On Your Six]

Did you try for EJI too? I have heard that EJI (or NJI) has brought on a bunch of C5 guys in the past...

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Upgrade in the Ultra - Aug 2015
Upgrade in the 400XP - Oct 2017

 

[freddriver20]

Did you try for EJI too? I have heard that EJI (or NJI) has brought on a bunch of C5 guys in the past...

I did the online application - didn't hear anything back. Interesting turn of events though; I called back and was offered a choice of 4 aircraft all with the same (mid-march) start date - 400, ultra, excel, and 800. Took the 800 naturally - the hell with schedules and upgrade times!

 

[stingray]

ultra over the 400 any day, I thought the ultra was tight inside until i set foot in a new 400, dam that 400 is small inside.
Also was is not just Beechjet day I mean Groundhog day.