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Flyairjason
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Yeah, you skyclowns have gone overboard here.
ATL2CDG, dude, you let me down with your blathering anti-American ravings. I could appreciate your position if perhaps you explained that some of our governments's policies did not reflect your personal views... But to express embarrassment over your nationality in general? The fact that you can run your freak'n piehole the way you do should be reason enough to love your country.
I'll bet now that you're unemployed, you'll gladly accept some of your government's money to buy food and keep the lights on for your little one.
Your type is nothing more than a bunch of talk.
Jason
ATL2CDG, dude, you let me down with your blathering anti-American ravings. I could appreciate your position if perhaps you explained that some of our governments's policies did not reflect your personal views... But to express embarrassment over your nationality in general? The fact that you can run your freak'n piehole the way you do should be reason enough to love your country.
I'll bet now that you're unemployed, you'll gladly accept some of your government's money to buy food and keep the lights on for your little one.
Your type is nothing more than a bunch of talk.
Jason
ATL2CDG
Life's wastebucket
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Despite a loud and resounding voice inside saying, "Move on; it's never going to end. Drop it!" I feel a need to ensure my opinion is understood (but not necessarily agreed with).
Flyairjason:
I am not quite sure from where you are drawing your assumption that I'm 'anti-American'. I assume, from what little evidence there is, that you are making your remarks based on a quote from me which is now contained in deez_nutz2000's signature. Please be aware that the 'quote' is incomplete and edited to suit deez_nutz2000's position. I stated that I was sometimes embarrassed to be an American based on deez_nutz2000 and others' behavior in another thread. He and others were being profane, vulgar, immature and bigoted. However, given that deez_nutz2000 used 'editoral license' to cut and type the message and its context, I can certainly see how you may disapprove of my comments. I was not speaking of the military or government when I spoke of occasional 'embarassment'; it instead resulted from the behavior of people like deez_nutz2000 who are often louder and more visible than the people who truly represent the stock from which this country is made. But just as I can be sometimes embarrassed to be American from others' behavior, I can sometimes be embarrassed to be white, in my twenties, from the South, a flight attendant, a blond, overweight or a plethora of other things. Perhaps I let 'others' effect too much how I feel about myself; perhaps 'concerned' would have been a better adjective. In any case, in the previous thread from which this entire 'discussion' is based, I quite clearly laid out my views on the government and other topics, so despite your request, I see no need to do it again now to a new comer to the conversation. My apologies.
All:
I feel some clarification in general on my part may be needed, although I'm certain that it will only go to bring more scrutiny and rebuke.
I love the United States. I was born and reared in one of the finest communities in the country. I was exposed to military tradition through my family (my grandfather was a Command Sergeant Major E-9 in the US Army, having served honorably in WWII and Korea) and earned a great appreciation for the sacrifice that thousands of men and women have made for all of us and for generations to come. I was even honored enough to serve as a Congressional Page for the US House in DC; I met everyone from Gingrich and Frist to Clinton and Mother Teresa. I gained an amazing insight into the innerworkings of government and grew a desire to serve my nation. Most importantly, I learned throughout my youth that dissent is not only a right guaranteed to all Americans, but it's a responsibility for those Americans aware of a wrong with the 'status quo'.
However, all this experience and love does not make me blind. I feel, as do many millions of others, that there are many things in the country that are going wrong. Do I think America is worst thing the world? Certainly not! Do I think France, China, Barbados or one of a 190 other countries are any better? Absolutely not! Every country has its virtues. Every country has its vices. NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. Do I want to go live in another country? Honestly, no. I'd prefer to stay in the United States and continue to advocate those policies and agendas I feel that will help to make this country a better place.
Do I hate Bush? No. Do I strongly disagree with many of his policies? Yes. Do I love Kerry? NO. Do I feel some of his policies (those of which he has defined to date) are more inline with mine? Yes. Truthfully, I admire some of Bush's policies and detest many of Kerry's. Unfortunately, as has become the norm in American politics, when it comes to electing a public official, it's a question of choosing the better of two evils. I don't think America will come to an end if Bush is re-elected... nor if Kerry is elected. I do not yet know for whom I will vote, however, more importantly, life will go on.
Sadly, despite all that I've just typed, many of you will feel the need to throw a generalized, trite sterotype upon me whenever I voice my view on a singular subject (i.e. deez_nutz's 'communist terrorist-sympathizer fag' remarks). It's unfortunate that many on this board feel the need to get personal and banter fervently over a simple message board topic; I would presume that were we speaking face-to-face, all of our words would be noticeably more diplomatic (there's something to say for cyber anonymity). While I appreciate the opportunity this forum and others give me to discuss various topics, it depresses me that so often it comes name-calling and finger-pointing. Perhaps, one day, we can all rise to a more civil level of debate.
Well, it's almost 5am and I've got much to do tomorrow (today), so I ought to retire. I wish that all of you have a pleasant day and I look forward to continuing this colloquium in the future.
Flyairjason:
I am not quite sure from where you are drawing your assumption that I'm 'anti-American'. I assume, from what little evidence there is, that you are making your remarks based on a quote from me which is now contained in deez_nutz2000's signature. Please be aware that the 'quote' is incomplete and edited to suit deez_nutz2000's position. I stated that I was sometimes embarrassed to be an American based on deez_nutz2000 and others' behavior in another thread. He and others were being profane, vulgar, immature and bigoted. However, given that deez_nutz2000 used 'editoral license' to cut and type the message and its context, I can certainly see how you may disapprove of my comments. I was not speaking of the military or government when I spoke of occasional 'embarassment'; it instead resulted from the behavior of people like deez_nutz2000 who are often louder and more visible than the people who truly represent the stock from which this country is made. But just as I can be sometimes embarrassed to be American from others' behavior, I can sometimes be embarrassed to be white, in my twenties, from the South, a flight attendant, a blond, overweight or a plethora of other things. Perhaps I let 'others' effect too much how I feel about myself; perhaps 'concerned' would have been a better adjective. In any case, in the previous thread from which this entire 'discussion' is based, I quite clearly laid out my views on the government and other topics, so despite your request, I see no need to do it again now to a new comer to the conversation. My apologies.
All:
I feel some clarification in general on my part may be needed, although I'm certain that it will only go to bring more scrutiny and rebuke.
I love the United States. I was born and reared in one of the finest communities in the country. I was exposed to military tradition through my family (my grandfather was a Command Sergeant Major E-9 in the US Army, having served honorably in WWII and Korea) and earned a great appreciation for the sacrifice that thousands of men and women have made for all of us and for generations to come. I was even honored enough to serve as a Congressional Page for the US House in DC; I met everyone from Gingrich and Frist to Clinton and Mother Teresa. I gained an amazing insight into the innerworkings of government and grew a desire to serve my nation. Most importantly, I learned throughout my youth that dissent is not only a right guaranteed to all Americans, but it's a responsibility for those Americans aware of a wrong with the 'status quo'.
However, all this experience and love does not make me blind. I feel, as do many millions of others, that there are many things in the country that are going wrong. Do I think America is worst thing the world? Certainly not! Do I think France, China, Barbados or one of a 190 other countries are any better? Absolutely not! Every country has its virtues. Every country has its vices. NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. Do I want to go live in another country? Honestly, no. I'd prefer to stay in the United States and continue to advocate those policies and agendas I feel that will help to make this country a better place.
Do I hate Bush? No. Do I strongly disagree with many of his policies? Yes. Do I love Kerry? NO. Do I feel some of his policies (those of which he has defined to date) are more inline with mine? Yes. Truthfully, I admire some of Bush's policies and detest many of Kerry's. Unfortunately, as has become the norm in American politics, when it comes to electing a public official, it's a question of choosing the better of two evils. I don't think America will come to an end if Bush is re-elected... nor if Kerry is elected. I do not yet know for whom I will vote, however, more importantly, life will go on.
Sadly, despite all that I've just typed, many of you will feel the need to throw a generalized, trite sterotype upon me whenever I voice my view on a singular subject (i.e. deez_nutz's 'communist terrorist-sympathizer fag' remarks). It's unfortunate that many on this board feel the need to get personal and banter fervently over a simple message board topic; I would presume that were we speaking face-to-face, all of our words would be noticeably more diplomatic (there's something to say for cyber anonymity). While I appreciate the opportunity this forum and others give me to discuss various topics, it depresses me that so often it comes name-calling and finger-pointing. Perhaps, one day, we can all rise to a more civil level of debate.
Well, it's almost 5am and I've got much to do tomorrow (today), so I ought to retire. I wish that all of you have a pleasant day and I look forward to continuing this colloquium in the future.
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