3 Of The Biggest Lies In Aviation

[UndauntedFlyer]

3 of the Biggest Lies in Aviation

1st LIE: You’ve got to be really good to fly a JET.


2nd LIE: Tailwheel airplanes are DANGEROUS and thus too HARD TO FLY.


3rd LIE: Pilots trained under Part 141 can fly rings around those trained under Part 61.

The above statement and what it suggests is simply untrue. And in fact, for the Commercial Certificate, just the opposite is true.

The Part 61 trained pilot will be more capable simply because he/she has 250-flight hours of experience instead of the Part 141 minimum of only 190-hours. It just makes no sense that a 190-hour pilot (60 less hours) will be equal, everything else being the same. In aviation there is nothing like real (behind the wheel) EXPERIENCE. And at the lower levels (less than 500-hours) experience, more training and more practice mean proportionally more proficiency.


And in final thought, just think how proficient the 141 pilots would be if he/she had 60 more hours of training. More multiengine training to ATP standards, tailwheel training, and some acro training too. From the same school, more training ALWAYS means more PROFICIENCY.


Comments/Questions

 

[Alex429595]

I concur.

I will say that it does take more work to takeoff or land a taildragger than a tricycle gear aircraft.

 

[troy]

3 of the Biggest Lies in Aviation

1st LIE: You’ve got to be really good to fly a JET.


2nd LIE: Tailwheel airplanes are DANGEROUS and thus too HARD TO FLY.


3rd LIE: Pilots trained under Part 141 can fly rings around those trained under Part 61.

The above statement and what it suggests is simply untrue. And in fact, for the Commercial Certificate, just the opposite is true.

The Part 61 trained pilot will be more capable simply because he/she has 250-flight hours of experience instead of the Part 141 minimum of only 190-hours. It just makes no sense that a 190-hour pilot (60 less hours) will be equal, everything else being the same. In aviation there is nothing like real (behind the wheel) EXPERIENCE. And at the lower levels (less than 500-hours) experience, more training and more practice mean proportionally more proficiency.


And in final thought, just think how proficient the 141 pilots would be if he/she had 60 more hours of training. More multiengine training to ATP standards, tailwheel training, and some acro training too. From the same school, more training ALWAYS means more PROFICIENCY.


Comments/Questions

What's with all the posts about the "biggest lies"? No one cares about the 141/61 deal, there are good pilots and bad pilots out of each catagory. Let it die, man.

 

[agpilot34]

The amount of total time a guy has in NO WAY directly relates to his skill level as a pilot, and whether they trained 61 or 141 SURE doesnt. I know a couple of fairly high time pilots who, in my opinion, cant fly their way out of a paper sack with one end open. By the same token, the son of a good friend of mine just recently recieved his private. He's been around aviation all his life, and exhibits piloting skills that are far beyond what his rating or total time says it should be. I wouldnt hesitate to jump in an airplane with him and fly anywhere in the country. Total "time" doesnt in anyway equal total "skill". That's all I'll say about that issue.

 

[troy]

Sounds like someone's at a Delta Connection Academy type school...

Not even close, buddy. Former squid, I see. Which ship?

 

[troy]

Kitty Hawk, 94-97, as an AS3 SE mech. Had some good times on her!! What years for you?

 

[troy]

same bunch of numbnuts on the enlisted side, I know what you mean. I guess it's too hard for certain people to do as told and shut up.

I hear that the Kitty is going downhill fast. You probably know first hand, though. When it left San Dog, it was a real nice piece of work. I've heard though a fellow employee (who was also on the Hawk about the time you were) that it is really in bad shape. Too bad, I believe that it's the only remaining diesel carrier left.

 

[Cappy]

3 of the Biggest Lies in Aviation

1st LIE: You’ve got to be really good to fly a JET.


2nd LIE: Tailwheel airplanes are DANGEROUS and thus too HARD TO FLY.


3rd LIE: Pilots trained under Part 141 can fly rings around those trained under Part 61.

The above statement and what it suggests is simply untrue. And in fact, for the Commercial Certificate, just the opposite is true.

The Part 61 trained pilot will be more capable simply because he/she has 250-flight hours of experience instead of the Part 141 minimum of only 190-hours. It just makes no sense that a 190-hour pilot (60 less hours) will be equal, everything else being the same. In aviation there is nothing like real (behind the wheel) EXPERIENCE. And at the lower levels (less than 500-hours) experience, more training and more practice mean proportionally more proficiency.


And in final thought, just think how proficient the 141 pilots would be if he/she had 60 more hours of training. More multiengine training to ATP standards, tailwheel training, and some acro training too. From the same school, more training ALWAYS means more PROFICIENCY.


Comments/Questions

After 12,000 hours I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Consider this...when you go to your fist job interview do you really think that the employer cares whether you were trained under 141 or 61? I have never even heard of it being asked. The certificate issued makes no reference to part 61 or 141 training.

Same with a type rating whether you get your type at Flight Safety or an established carrier means nothing. A type is a type is a type.

 

[SBD]

There are people at part 141 and part 61 schools that have no business flying. It is strictly up to the individual and how much time and effort one puts into their training. I've have worked for both outfits and I've been scared by both. IMHO the only difference is how much someone is willing to pay for the training.

 

[joepilot29]

Come to our flight school ..........WE HAVE A GUARANTEED INTERVIEW!!

 

[SBD]

Guaranteed interview is worth about as much as a few hundred shares in most airlines.

 

[pilothouston123]

We are getting new airplanes soon!
we are going to upgrade you soon!
Don't belive anything until you see it on the ramp or hold the certicate or type rating in your hand.

Time has nothing to do with skill level. We have a a guy, that has like 4,000 hours and all he will ever be is a king air 200 co-pilot. He is the only guy I have ever met that could show up an hour early for work, 2 hours before take off and still be late.

Flight time is like coaching a sports team with talent. If you have the time and the talent you can win, but a bad coach can't always win with the talent

 

[Fletch F Fletch]

You dudes have not been around aviation if you think THOSE are the three biggest lies. Keep looking.

 

[Joshrk22]

Actually I do believe some Flight Training Programs are better than others...look at the Air Force and Navy. Why does the Air Force have better pilots than the Navy?


I'm sure I will get flamed on this post, especially since there are a few guys with USN Convo's going on already.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Joshrk22]

"I don't know, but I've been told... Navy wings are made of GOLD!"

"I don't know, but it's been said... Air Force wings are made of LEAD!"

Gotta "sing" it as a marching cadence...

I definitely gotta' get the rest of that and do it for my CAP SQ/CC .

Just kidding as ALL of our military pilots (and troops) are the best in the world. Just gotta hope these days the the civilian population of the US doesn't forget that. All that media brainwashing concerning the Middle East...

You bring up a very good point! I've been hearing it a lot lately for wanting to go to the USAFA, they, my family, think I should do something more in the civilian world of flying. They just don't get it...

 

[Joshrk22]

Yup, and tell your family about the Montgomery GI bill you'll have when you get out. And the VHA home loan benefits. And the wealth of experience that a civilian aviator could only dream of. Try landing an aircraft with more holes in it than when it departed. 30mm AA fire will do that to ya. :erm: Come to think of it, that's probably why your family wants you as a civvy pilot. Go military aviation and you WILL be deployed to the Middle East sooner or later. Good luck either way!

It's got it's up and downs. I suppose that if you don't mind getting shot at then the military is for you. Me personally, I think the military is the way to go... but we'll just wait and see how it turns out.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Please help me!

I'm confused here and somewhat new to the Board. I mean no disrespect but how do these posts and conversatons about military operations get into a thread about civilian flight training Part 61 vrs. Part 141....

2002-2004 as a DESRON FIFTEEN staff operations puke. Bad tour as it was dissasociated which meant NO flying... So I got to be a SWO to see the "big Navy" for cultural exposure, I guess. Barf... That was my last tour. Unfortunately, they make all the LAMPS guys do the disassociated tour and, as a result, the Navy loses a lot of good pilots (before and after the tour) and corporate knowledge and just has to spend mucho taxpayer $$$ to train newbies to replace them. Even when they "finish" and get winged, there's still the RAG (or FRS these days) to get through and not tank it. Not the easiest phase, either. All just to end up in a squadron with ZERO fleet/operational/tactical experience...

Kitty Hawk, 94-97, as an AS3 SE mech. Had some good times on her!! What years for you?

A LOT of $$$. When I was in flight school, the going trend was 7 students to actually get one flight recruit out of college from zero time all the way to operating/flying in the fleet due to academic or flight skill attrition, injury, being a dumb ass, whatever. Saw more than a few of my young invincible compadres get the boot for DUI or getting caught with a video camera while actually trying to fly an aerobatic solo in the T-34. One guy actually figured out a way to splice the camera audio into his helmet/ICS, but woops! Got some wires crossed and he ended up "narrating" in the clear to God and everyone and over the radio on the area common frequency. XO happened to be flying at the time, too! Instantly removed from the program. I wonder why he couldn't figure that one out because one shouldn't be getting a side-tone if the "narrative" commentary was meant for internal comms only...

Ah, good times. Wonder how it is these days...

 

[Joshrk22]

I'm confused here and somewhat new to the Board. I mean no disrespect but how do these posts and conversatons about military operations get into a thread about civilian flight training Part 61 vrs. Part 141....

Actually I do believe some Flight Training Programs are better than others...look at the Air Force and Navy. Why does the Air Force have better pilots than the Navy?


I'm sure I will get flamed on this post, especially since there are a few guys with USN Convo's going on already.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You must've missed that post. Here you go!

 

[troy]

I'm confused here and somewhat new to the Board. I mean no disrespect but how do these posts and conversatons about military operations get into a thread about civilian flight training Part 61 vrs. Part 141....

Then don't read it.

 

[pgcfii2002]

THREE MOST USELESS THINGS FOR PILOTS:

1) The runway behind you
2) The altitude above you
3) The fuel you should have put on before you took off

 

[DrewBlows]

I'm confused here and somewhat new to the Board. I mean no disrespect but how do these posts and conversatons about military operations get into a thread about civilian flight training Part 61 vrs. Part 141....

Thread creep. Get used to it. It's the Flightinfo law of certainty. No matter what the topic, if a thread gets long enough it will turn into a PFT (pay-for-training) debate, someone will bash Mesa, a political debate will ensue ("Republicans are better!", "Democrats are better!", "liberal media!", "Fox News sucks!", ect.), the "race to the bottom" will be discussed, and someone will bring up the RJDC. And no matter how serious a question, someone will have a smartass comment something to the effect of "you are stupid to ask that question, and I was born with that knowledge". Welcome to Flightinfo, have fun.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I understand.