24 more pilots for ASa

[COOPERVANE]

Never flown with the guy but based on what I hear, he must be one perfect pilot. There should be a zero tolerance policy for that kind of behavior. Learn some manners, right? Creates a dangerous cockpit environment, esp with junior FOs who may be more susceptible to intimidation. Classic CRM case.

Agreed.

 

[bacardi]

I think some of the problem captains we have are the result of quick upgrades. At no point in our history until now have we had 5 or 6 year first officers.
I was a 6 year FO, now Ive been in the left seat for 6 years.

 

[OCP]

I think he meant not by choice.

 

[McNugent]

Deleted... Not worth it

 

[sunlitpath]

Hey FOs, if these captains act like disrespectful bitches, smack 'em a little, keep them honest. See if they back it up; but don't start it, if they are on the level. We got a lot of straight up captains. No captain deserves special treatment. You deserve respect and common decency. Sh-t, some of you guys are 45 plus years old plus. I feel your pain...

 

[sunlitpath]

Fk an Ed Fortnight. Don't get me started..

 

[sunlitpath]

OK. Here's why. I got time. You FOs come to the table (flight deck) usually willing to meet half way. You got your own problems (debt, wife, children, STDs, etc) you are ready to work a leg, you don't need some dildo punk playing the silent treatment. Any guy who isn't talking and interacting is a freakish bitch ass fool. CRM demands verbal exchange. Do your job. Do not be intimidated. The company, the FAA, and NTSB implore you to press on. I got your back...

 

[damnflyboy]

ELF's initials are silly and don't reflect his physique or personality. ELF is Satan stuck in Stephen King's body. He does NOT live in a tree and bake delicious cookies. He does NOT grant wishes. Lies. All lies.

 

[sunlitpath]

ELF's initials are silly and don't reflect his physique or personality. ELF is Satan stuck in Stephen King's body. He does NOT live in a tree and bake delicious cookies. He does NOT grant wishes. Lies. All lies.

Posing this unpleasant condition in a classical spiritual context works well also...

 

[Flybywire44]

If your Captain is hard to work with than just watch 'em and keep 'em honest...

…and just imagine how good some of these guys will make you look when we upgrade. First officers will be clamoring to fly with you! ='P

 

[crj567]

Bottom line is, the Association must agree with the bid run solution.[/B

Ignore the facts if you like.

I noticed this garbage, and just can't let it go. This is a great example of the kind of misleading way in which PBS was marketed to us.

Notice, I was griping about PAIRING construction-which is the BIG problem with our agreement. Medeco's answer concerns BID RUN SOLUTIONS. These are two totally different things. Don't get the two confused. Once the pairings are made, there is no fixing them, at least not by and binding contractual language. A bid run solution only concerns what happens after everyone bids, and this is largely a non-factor. If you plug in 14 hour credit 4 days, you can't get a good bid run solution no matter what.

-Don't approve any version of PBS in which there is not some sort of enforceable agreement between the company and the union on PAIRING CONSTRUCTION.

-Read what the contract actually says-never rely on this scammy mixing of terms. It still amazes me that out people are willing to try and fake everyone out. The truth is there in black ad white.

-P.S.- Medeco never explained the whole coin-toss thing, for good reason-it is embarassing. Pick up the agreement and read that part. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that the whole coin-flipping mess will actually work? (Hint: there is a good reason lawyers and judges don't do stuff like that in court.)

 

[the palm]

I noticed this garbage, and just can't let it go. This is a great example of the kind of misleading way in which PBS was marketed to us.

Notice, I was griping about PAIRING construction-which is the BIG problem with our agreement. Medeco's answer concerns BID RUN SOLUTIONS. These are two totally different things. Don't get the two confused. Once the pairings are made, there is no fixing them, at least not by and binding contractual language. A bid run solution only concerns what happens after everyone bids, and this is largely a non-factor. If you plug in 14 hour credit 4 days, you can't get a good bid run solution no matter what.

-Don't approve any version of PBS in which there is not some sort of enforceable agreement between the company and the union on PAIRING CONSTRUCTION.

-Read what the contract actually says-never rely on this scammy mixing of terms. It still amazes me that out people are willing to try and fake everyone out. The truth is there in black ad white.

-P.S.- Medeco never explained the whole coin-toss thing, for good reason-it is embarassing. Pick up the agreement and read that part. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that the whole coin-flipping mess will actually work? (Hint: there is a good reason lawyers and judges don't do stuff like that in court.)

I'm sorry, crj567, but I gotta call a spade a spade and you are a tool.

The first month of PBS at ASA has been an overwhelming success. Sure there were some hiccups throughout the launch, but our ALPA guys worked tirelessly to fix the issues. Even the most hardcore naysayers, except you, have come around to see our PBS system for what it really is...an improvement to line bidding! <gasp> It just takes time and energy to learn the system to get the most out of it. If you are not willing to do that I'm sure everyone junior to you will appreciate it.

You are right about one thing. Pairing construction is the key to a good schedule. But that has always been the case....even with line bidding. Now you just get to pick the trips you want instead of having someone else do it for you. Who would you rather have build your schedule, YOU or Pappageorgio? Now hopefully we get some language in the next contract that allows us to have more control over the pairing construction process. But we will just have to wait and see.

Oh, and how is the coin toss thing embarrassing? This just shows me you have no idea how this process works or what it is used for. It's only used to resolve a dispute if there is one. I heard the company was happy to use ALPA's bid runs and had no issues. Of course they don't use it in court because there is a judge to rule on disputes. There is no judge or arbitrator sitting in the A-Tech waiting to rule on our bid runs. Just the company and ALPA. Would you prefer they play rock, paper, scissors? Arm wrestle?

Look, everyone who reads this board knows you hate ALPA. We get it. I have been hard on them too in the past and we need to hold their feet to the fire. But you are way off base on your anti-PBS platform. Just sit down with a trainer for a few hours and learn how to bid. Or you can continue to be miserable for the rest of your career at ASA.

 

[asayankee]

Ask some of the reserve guys how PBS has been for them. For most of us it has been a step backwards.

 

[777forever]

I'm sorry, crj567, but I gotta call a spade a spade and you are a tool.

The first month of PBS at ASA has been an overwhelming success. Sure there were some hiccups throughout the launch, but our ALPA guys worked tirelessly to fix the issues. Even the most hardcore naysayers, except you, have come around to see our PBS system for what it really is...an improvement to line bidding! <gasp> It just takes time and energy to learn the system to get the most out of it. If you are not willing to do that I'm sure everyone junior to you will appreciate it.

You are right about one thing. Pairing construction is the key to a good schedule. But that has always been the case....even with line bidding. Now you just get to pick the trips you want instead of having someone else do it for you. Who would you rather have build your schedule, YOU or Pappageorgio? Now hopefully we get some language in the next contract that allows us to have more control over the pairing construction process. But we will just have to wait and see.

Oh, and how is the coin toss thing embarrassing? This just shows me you have no idea how this process works or what it is used for. It's only used to resolve a dispute if there is one. I heard the company was happy to use ALPA's bid runs and had no issues. Of course they don't use it in court because there is a judge to rule on disputes. There is no judge or arbitrator sitting in the A-Tech waiting to rule on our bid runs. Just the company and ALPA. Would you prefer they play rock, paper, scissors? Arm wrestle?

Look, everyone who reads this board knows you hate ALPA. We get it. I have been hard on them too in the past and we need to hold their feet to the fire. But you are way off base on your anti-PBS platform. Just sit down with a trainer for a few hours and learn how to bid. Or you can continue to be miserable for the rest of your career at ASA.

Epic win for da Palm!

 

[777forever]

Ask some of the reserve guys how PBS has been for them. For most of us it has been a step backwards.

Ask most of the guys who WERE on reserve how PBS has been for them. Most of us will say its a MASSIVE step forward. QOL and Pay wise