2 Skywest Q's:

[BluDevAv8r]

Just wondering why its OK for the majors to have the same payscale for 757/767, but the cjr200/700 rates need to be different. Isn't the 70 seater easier to fly? I mean it has FADEC, leading edge slats, TWO flight attendants, its not a dog in the climb like the -200, what more could you want.

Just curious!

Actually, this isn't quite the case homer. I won't go into the other majors but at CAL, there is a differential not only between the 757 and 767 but also between the 757-200 and 757-300. Furthermore, pilots aren't paid more (or less) because an airplane has more FA's, has cool gizmo's, or has better performance. If that were the case, the Metro would be the best paying 121 aircraft and the 777 would be the least.

-Neal

 

[homerjdispatch]

Arent CO's rates based on aircraft size, ie. Wide body, 777, 747, 767, 757-300; LN, 757-200, MD80, 737-8/900; and SN 737-3/500?

Isnt that basicly the same thing? Whats the seat difference between the 757-300 and the 777 or 747? All the same payrate!

So again, why should a CRJ700 Capt. be paid more than a CRJ200 capt.?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Arent CO's rates based on aircraft size, ie. Wide body, 777, 747, 767, 757-300; LN, 757-200, MD80, 737-8/900; and SN 737-3/500?

Isnt that basicly the same thing? Whats the seat difference between the 757-300 and the 777 or 747? All the same payrate!

So again, why should a CRJ700 Capt. be paid more than a CRJ200 capt.?

Uhh...for the same reason that a 757-300 pilot is paid more than a 757-200 pilot and the same reason that a 767-400 pilot is paid more than a 757-200 pilot? That airplane brings in more revenue. You claimed that 757 and 767 pay rates are the same due to one type rating. I refuted that point and corrected you. Want me to pull out some other examples?

We just got ACARS a few years ago at XJT...under your logic we should take a pay cut because now we don't have to listen to the ATIS at some airports, which makes our life easier - just like those -700 pilots with the 2nd FA and the cool FADEC.

-Neal

 

[homerjdispatch]

Uhh...for the same reason that a 757-300 pilot is paid more than a 757-200 pilot and the same reason that a 767-400 pilot is paid more than a 757-200 pilot? That airplane brings in more revenue. You claimed that 757 and 767 pay rates are the same due to one type rating. I refuted that point and corrected you. Want me to pull out some other examples?

We just got ACARS a few years ago at XJT...under your logic we should take a pay cut because now we don't have to listen to the ATIS at some airports, which makes our life easier - just like those -700 pilots with the 2nd FA and the cool FADEC.

-Neal

Neal, Neal, Neal,

I used the 767/757 as an example. (see Deltaand United payrates for example) Then I used CO as an example. You still haven't explained how a 757-300 Capt at CO should be on the same payscale as a 777 capt, but a -700 Capt. should get MORE than a -200 Capt. You cant tell me the 757-300 brings in the same REVENUE as the 777.

And for the record, there was a lot of SARCASM in my original post. come on, 2 FA's.....thats only good if Capt. Happy is gonna share!


So why is that 767 Cap paid the same as a 757-300 Capt. at CO?

I really wanna know!



BTW, No I dont think you need a paycut for getting ACARS, but you shouldnt get a raise for having it either.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Neal, Neal, Neal,

I used the 767/757 as an example. (see Deltaand United payrates for example) Then I used CO as an example. You still haven't explained how a 757-300 Capt at CO should be on the same payscale as a 777 capt, but a -700 Capt. should get MORE than a -200 Capt. You cant tell me the 757-300 brings in the same REVENUE as the 777.

So why is that 767 Cap paid the same as a 757-300 Capt. at CO?

I really wanna know!

It all boils down to seats Homer. The -700 has more seats than a -200...ergo...those pilots should be paid more. The 757-300 has more seats than a 757-200...ergo....they should be paid more. The 757-300 has around the same amount of seats as a 767...ergo...they are paid the same at CAL. It is all seat driven. And for the record, the 757-300 has more seats than a 767-200 but fewer than a 767-400. Nonetheless, it all boils down to seats (and thus, revenue generation). Of course the 777 isn't going to bring the SAME revenue in as a 757-300.

CAL does pay in categories but the issue here is which category a larger airplane in the same type rating should be in, right? That is why the 767 is in the widebody category and the 757 is in the large narrowbody category. Then along comes the 757-300...which is why CAL ALPA arbitrated the -300...more seats than a 767-200.

Nonetheless, your original question is why should the 757/767 pay the same and the -200 and -700 shouldn't. My only point was to show you that the 757 and 767 don't pay the same at CAL (and at other places as well) and for the same reason, nor should the -200 and -700 at Skywest.

BTW, No I dont think you need a paycut for getting ACARS, but you shouldnt get a raise for having it either.

Where did I say we should get a raise for having ACARS?

-Neal

 

[homerjdispatch]

Uhhh you confuse me Neal. The facts remain the same......777 more seats that 767....same pay....its OK

crj700 more seats that crj200...Same pay NOT ok. WHY??????


Never said you said you needed a raise. Just making the point that just because you have more "toys" you dont need more money.

I am not saying that I think the pay should be the same, I am just looking for as answer as to why its OK for some but not for others.

 

[MONKEY]

A Bit Torn

I am a bit torn on the issue of 50 vs 70 seat pay.

1. Homer does make a valid point. There are plenty of carriers that do not have additional pay for additianal seats. The CAL example he used was pretty obvious.

2. It allows a pilot to bid the line that most benefits him/her for pay and schedule purposes with out regard to equiptment type. In other words, if there were a pay difference, a senior CA may have to choose to bid pay over schedule, or schedule over pay. Many airlines are "giving back" to the company. If an airline can keep current pay rates, or give raises accross the board to the pilot group by adding larger aircraft with out the seat differential, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

on the other hand.

more seats = more revenue.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Uhhh you confuse me Neal. The facts remain the same......777 more seats that 767....same pay....its OK

crj700 more seats that crj200...Same pay NOT ok. WHY??????

This would be a good example if you established 70 seat pay and then paid all 50 and 70 seat pilots at the 70 seat rate, since when Contract 97 at CAL was signed there weren't any 767's on property or even ordered. There are some more facts for you.

Never said you said you needed a raise. Just making the point that just because you have more "toys" you dont need more money.

Well if I didn't say that...then why are you even bringing it up?

Quick question: If a Dispatcher A works 50 flights a day and Dispatcher B works 50 flights a day, should they be paid exactly the same? What if A is dispatching RJ's and B is dispatching all 777's? Should there be a pay differential?

-Neal

 

[homerjdispatch]

"Quick question: If a Dispatcher A works 50 flights a day and Dispatcher B works 50 flights a day, should they be paid exactly the same? What if A is dispatching RJ's and B is dispatching all 777's? Should there be a pay differential?"


Neal,

That is like saying paying RJ capt the same as a 777 capt.
Now, if a dispatcher works 50 flights a day (that would be a dream here, try 65-70) thay get paid the same, regardless of aircraft type.

IF I dispatched a 777 I get the same pay as a 737. NO DIFFERENCE! Of course, thats apples to oranges.

Now if someone said, skywest dispatchers should get different pay for different size aircraft they dispatch, but United dispatchers get the same rate regardless of equipment, then that would be the same arguement.


I don't want to argue specifics of CO or UA or DL or any other carrier. But, you HAVE TO ADMIT that the practice of flying different size aircraft for the same rates DOES HAPPEN!!!!

It seems everyone takes the approach of bashing SKYWEST guys for doing something THAT ALREADY HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thrasher15]

flying different size aircraft for the same rates DOES HAPPEN

Yes and that makes him and a lot of other people unhappy because it's not the "normal" way of doing things. I say UPS has the best pay system in place. Rank and YOS determine your pay, nothing else.

 

[tranceport]

you guys still talking about this?