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[MALSR]

Someone should tell SWA and the poor kid that died and his family that there is a fudge factor built in.

 

[FlyBunny]

That's pretty low you son of a b!tch. That could very well happen to a lot of us. That was a 12 year captain and a 3 year fo who I happen to know very well, who is an extremely great guy. Keep flying your 152 and while your at it go ahead and send me your first and last name and I'll be sure you never make it out here, trust me.

Wow...you sure sounds like a 'shaker and a mover'. For a regional pilot, you're still not as arrogant as some other fellas are on this board.

Just imagine if this was a Mesa or Pinnacle airplane...but, since it's this airline, so 'it could've happen to lot of us' eh.

How about performance?
Tail wind penalty; Contaminated runway; other factors; runway linght, etc.
Whatever you excuse you may use, there's NO excuse for this.

If you read 'Aviation Safety' publications, you'd notice how 'useless' airlines' procedures are...especially talking about landing (brief) and even mentioning 'going around', but if you look up the statistics, pilots very seldom chose to 'go around'.

My tuppence,
Bunny

 

[embpic1]

Someone should tell SWA and the poor kid that died and his family that there is a fudge factor built in.

Ok now you are comparing apples to oranges. That flight was operated within the performance limitations for the existing conditions. Unfortunately, the plane touched down too far down the runway and was not able to stop in time. Pilots make mistakes. When mistakes are made operating at the limits, bad things can happen.

My point is that operating at the limits in 121 operations is part of the job. Just make sure you are on the ball.

 

[FlyBunny]

Won't happen to me. I wouldn't land in a heavy downpour with a 10 kt tailwind on a 6500ft runway with a 50 seat RJ with a ref of 142kts if at max landing weight.

By the way, being a 12 year captain at a regional airline is nothing to brag about. He probably sucked so much he couldn't get a job anywhere else. There, I said it.

I liked your reply and agree with you.

But, your last line is very 'low class'. I know someone who wasn't interested in flying for a major simply becuase he wanted to live where he lived, didn't want to commute, didn't want to move his kids from thier friends, has the best schedule in the world, is one of the most senior pilots, has weekend off, flies a jet, makes decent money...and unlike most of you on this board, never complains about how little regional pilots get paid be it a captain or a SIC. Has his own business and makes more than most major airline pilots.

There's also a NWA SIC out of MSP who forego upgrade because of all the above reasons. For you, it sounds like you're pretty impressed with four stripes, but if you look around you'd find many people aren't too fascinated by PIC position, but to them the 'quality of life' matters the most. They have enough self-esteem which prevents bouts of 'depression' you might suffer if you don't get the upgrade in a time period you thought would.

Bunny

 

[32LT10]

Was there a reverser malfunction? Did the plane hydroplane making braking less effective? Get all the facts before you start pointing fingers.

Reverser Malfunction???? What are you SWA? Taking into account the use of reversers for landing distance is not generally an accepted practice, unless you are SWA at MDW. Let's see T/W+ rain+float+12yr RJ guy= overrun.

Are you serious about hydroplanning? Really serious? I thought those toy jets had A/S protection? Or do you have to turn the APU on to get that system to work?

 

[FlyBunny]

SWA will hire them....

Yep, but don't tell this to Tool Crib.

He/she is too impressed with major airline pilots (that's who he implied in his post).

Bunny

 

[The_Russian]

TOOL CRIB and embpic1,

I agree with both of you guys. You both actually have really good points. IMO you should be able to do the job within the written limits. Other than that, its your decision.

I have to agree a 12 year captain flying a 50 seat jet is nothing to proud of. Anybody that lands in a 10 knot tailwind should really study the limitation section in their POH! Didnt these's guys learn anything from the Air Chance Airbus that ran off the end of the runway and burn to the ground? They may not have a job but at least the dont need skin grafts.

I can land with a 10kt tailwind in the Beech. I read my AFM.

 

[FlyBunny]

Dude. You obviously have never flown 121 so STFU! As far as the '12 year captain' comment you again show your ignorance. My advice to you 'TOOL', is to keep your immature comments to yourself.

Common sense, adhering to procedures, follwoing SOPs is what it is all about. Nothing to do with Part 121 flight experience!

Incidents like these have occured in Part 91, 135, and 121, and in any other ops type.

You'd be very surprise to find out that the majority of NTSB investigators have never flown for part 121.

But, you probably also believe that if someone hasn't 'paid their dues' as Flight Instructors, they should'nt fly for the airlines. Right? (If someone hasn't flown 121 so they shouldn't make comments or judgements...that's what you're saying).

So, how come you accept anything and everything said by FAA (majority of them hasn't flown for Part 121 either)?

Bunny

 

[embpic1]

Reverser Malfunction???? What are you SWA? Taking into account the use of reversers for landing distance is not generally an accepted practice, unless you are SWA at MDW. Let's see T/W+ rain+float+12yr RJ guy= overrun.

Are you serious about hydroplanning? Really serious? I thought those toy jets had A/S protection? Or do you have to turn the APU on to get that system to work?

I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the thrust reverser issue. My thoughts on that were similar to what happened to the NWA DC-9 that ran into an A320. When they applied reverse thrust, the buckets did not deploy (no hydraulics) and actually pushed them forward.

As far as hydroplaning goes, having A/S does not make you immune from it.

 

[FlyBunny]

Ok rookie.....I bet every pilot involved in an accident has at one time or another said it won't happen to me. With an attidude like yours rookie, it will happen to you someday. Just make sure you are alone so you don't hurt anyone else.

If he/she follows the SOPs, procedures, use common sense, and pay close atttention to Performance Data, it WON'T happen to him/her!

Rather than criticizing the 'rookie - in your opinion', why don't you spend some time and look up the NTSB reports on runway overshots. Go ahead, take some time off from this board, read the reports, and point out a single incidents where pilots followed each and every SOP and procedures and still overshot.

Bunny

 

[MESA=WALMART]

Very Funny Russian! That Kind Of Attitude Gets You A Off The Street Position As Captain In A B-1900 For Mesa! I Guess Thats What You Are?

 

[FlyBunny]

Why would you make a lateral career move?[/quote]

Even if you're using this as a sarcastic comment, you're wrong.

Last time I heard, SWA was a Major airline.

That would be called a transition.

Bunny

 

[xjhawk]

you are an idiot

Won't happen to me. I wouldn't land in a heavy downpour with a 10 kt tailwind on a 6500ft runway with a 50 seat RJ with a ref of 142kts if at max landing weight.

By the way, being a 12 year captain at a regional airline is nothing to brag about. He probably sucked so much he couldn't get a job anywhere else. There, I said it.

Some of the best pilots i know are like 12 year capt at Mesaba, i am sure the same goes for any other regional. I have also met a lot of Main line guys at many different airlines, and if anyone can figure out how they sellect some of them, let me know. But i am sure its not how great of a pilot they are. I know guys who would be great at mainline, but they did not even get a call for a mainline.......its all who you know...or what military club you belonged too.......but dont think i beleive a high seniority number means you are a good pilot.

 

[MESA=WALMART]

i AGREE AIR TRANS IS A LATERAL MOVE

 

[The_Russian]

You'd be very surprise to find out that the majority of NTSB investigators have never flown for part 121.

91, 121, 135, etc. They all crash the same, so what does that matter?

But, you probably also believe that if someone hasn't 'paid their dues' as Flight Instructors, they should'nt fly for the airlines. Right? (If someone hasn't flown 121 so they shouldn't make comments or judgements...that's what you're saying).

No one said CFI's don't pay there dues. Please stop fishing for pity. The truth is that being a CFI and flying for an airline are two DIFFERENT types of flying. A CFI who is not educated in 121 rules and procedures cannot make assumtions about what should have happened. Remember, you need that month of schooling, sim training, IOE, and years of flying the line to have experience to make educated comments on incidents such as this.

 

[FlyBunny]

How the hell do you know what happened? Do you have all the facts? Was there a brake malfunction? Was there a reverser malfunction? Did the plane hydroplane making braking less effective? Get all the facts before you start pointing fingers.

Oh my...you should be given a chance to withdraw your comment!

You say you've flown a 747, but you don't know that for any airplane with a thrustreverser, the performance is based solely on everything else BUT the 'reversers'!

Look up the 747's manual and you'd be pleasantly surprised.

I agree that all the facts are not available, but please don't bring in the 'reversers'.

Bunny

 

[The_Russian]

Very Funny Russian! That Kind Of Attitude Gets You A Off The Street Position As Captain In A B-1900 For Mesa! I Guess Thats What You Are?

What is so funny?

 

[embpic1]

But, you probably also believe that if someone hasn't 'paid their dues' as Flight Instructors, they should'nt fly for the airlines. Right? (If someone hasn't flown 121 so they shouldn't make comments or judgements...that's what you're saying).

Bunny

91, 121, 135, etc. They all crash the same, so what does that matter?


No one said CFI's don't pay there dues. Please stop fishing for pity. The truth is that being a CFI and flying for an airline are two DIFFERENT types of flying. A CFI who is not educated in 121 rules and procedures cannot make assumtions about what should have happened. Remember, you need that month of schooling, sim training, IOE, and years of flying the line to have experience to make educated comments on incidents such as this.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[The_Russian]

Why would you make a lateral career move?

Even if you're using this as a sarcastic comment, you're wrong.

Last time I heard, SWA was a Major airline.

That would be called a transition.

[/QUOTE]

It is a joke. But to me, SWA is a regional with jets. Thus, a lateral move.

 

[embpic1]

Oh my...you should be given a chance to withdraw your comment!

You say you've flown a 747, but you don't know that for any airplane with a thrustreverser, the performance is based solely on everything else BUT the 'reversers'!

Look up the 747's manual and you'd be pleasantly surprised.

I agree that all the facts are not available, but please don't bring in the 'reversers'.

Bunny

Please read my post on this:

I was wondering when someone was going to bring up the thrust reverser issue. My thoughts on that were similar to what happened to the NWA DC-9 that ran into an A320. When they applied reverse thrust, the buckets did not deploy (no hydraulics) and actually pushed them forward.

 

[snap145]

Oh my...you should be given a chance to withdraw your comment!

You say you've flown a 747, but you don't know that for any airplane with a thrustreverser, the performance is based solely on everything else BUT the 'reversers'!

Look up the 747's manual and you'd be pleasantly surprised.

I agree that all the facts are not available, but please don't bring in the 'reversers'.

Bunny

you know alot about this stuff for a CFI..by the way im being serious not a smarta$$

 

[kmox29]

Dude. You obviously have never flown 121 so STFU! As far as the '12 year captain' comment you again show your ignorance. My advice to you 'TOOL', is to keep your immature comments to yourself.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but using:

Dude
STFU
Tool

...don't exactly make your post that mature.

 

[FlyBunny]

Reverser Malfunction???? What are you SWA? Taking into account the use of reversers for landing distance is not generally an accepted practice, unless you are SWA at MDW. Let's see T/W+ rain+float+12yr RJ guy= overrun.

Are you serious about hydroplanning? Really serious? I thought those toy jets had A/S protection? Or do you have to turn the APU on to get that system to work?

Sad that you're so stuck on your presumption that a guy who's been a 12-year captain has less experience and you'd have thought highly of him if he were a two-month SIC at a major.

I'd be happy to PM you and send you links to many hundreds of accidents caused by some very experience 'major airline' captains.

But, you sound like you hold them way too high due to your low self-esteem. How would you handle the facts: the facts about accidents caused by some of the most experienced captains for the major airlines who have been captains at major airlines, in some cases over 20 years?

Can you handle that?
I don't think you can!

Bunny

 

[The_Russian]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but using:

Dude
STFU
Tool

...don't exactly make your post that mature.

That post is also correct!

 

[embpic1]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but using:

Dude
STFU
Tool

...don't exactly make your post that mature.

Point taken. That can happen when you type in an agitated state.

 

[FlyBunny]

Ok now you are comparing apples to oranges. That flight was operated within the performance limitations for the existing conditions. Unfortunately, the plane touched down too far down the runway and was not able to stop in time. Pilots make mistakes. When mistakes are made operating at the limits, bad things can happen.

My point is that operating at the limits in 121 operations is part of the job. Just make sure you are on the ball.

Another guy/gal who's too impressed with the skills of major airline pilots.
A plane touches down almost beyond the half-way mark and you're calling it a mistake?

I'm sure if you look in to this, you'd find that the SWA captain has more than 12 years of PIC experience.

So, if those, who have used the '12-year captain', have any morals, would withdraw that comment.

Bunny

 

[The_Russian]

Sad that you're so stuck on your presumption that a guy who's been a 12-year captain has less experience and you'd have thought highly of him if he were a two-month SIC at a major.

I'd be happy to PM you and send you links to many hundreds of accidents caused by some very experience 'major airline' captains.

But, you sound like you hold them way too high due to your low self-esteem. How would you handle the facts: the facts about accidents caused by some of the most experienced captains for the major airlines who have been captains at major airlines, in some cases over 20 years?

Assigning a pilot group type or experience level of pilots to accident rates is definately asinine. Any pilot can make have an error at any experience level.

 

[The_Russian]

Another guy/gal who's too impressed with the skills of major airline pilots.
A plane touches down almost beyond the half-way mark and you're calling it a mistake?

Sometimes it can happen, even if it was not planned. It can still happen even if the pilot is talented and has taken action to put the aircraft on the ground. Maybe at that point the go around was not safe. Who knows. Remember that the -200 does not have slats. Or there could have been a mechanical failure. We must not forget that.

 

[FlyBunny]

It is a joke. But to me, SWA is a regional with jets. Thus, a lateral move.[/quote]

Did you get turned down by SWA?

Intellectually speaking, there's a clear-cut definition about regionals, nationals, and major airlines. When you finish reading up on this, you'd have a better understanding.

Besides, your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to 'definition'. You probably also think Mesa is not a regional airline.

Bunny

P.S. Intellectually speaking, the word 'regionals' is not a word, but a term commangly used in aviation to describe cummuter airline operations.

 

[FlyBunny]

you know alot about this stuff for a CFI..by the way im being serious not a smarta$$

Well, thanks.

I started out as a CFI and joined this board a long time ago. Didn't have too much time to change my qualifications as I gained experience.

I used to, when I was a CFI, and still do, get comments from people who thought that the sole 'right' to comment on this board belongs to those who have flown 121.

Just for kicks, I never changed that. But, that's besides the point. Some of the most qualified aviation safety experts on this earth never flew 121. But, we, on this board, tend to think that if someone hasn't flown 121, then they should not have an opinion on 121 ops.

For me, I'm way past 1200 and learning every day.
Take care,
Bunny