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RJDC Update

February 1, 2003

Oral Arguments Completed


On Friday, January 31, 2003, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York heard oral arguments on ALPA’s motion to dismiss Ford v. ALPA and plaintiffs’ motion to add more than three hundred additional plaintiffs to the suit. At the start of the hearing, ALPA informed the court that in view of the new scope agreement at Delta Air Lines, which restored the scope ratios, it would withdraw its argument that plaintiff’s scope claims were moot. Consequently, the majority of the hearing focused on ALPA’s arguments that the court lacked jurisdiction to hear the case and that the complaint failed to state viable claims.

ALPA contended that the suit was a "disguised" attempt to circumvent the exclusive authority of the National Mediation Board to make class and craft certifications for bargaining purposes. Plaintiffs pointed out that the suit does not seek to disturb the NMB’s current certifications and that the obvious issue is ALPA’s perpetuation of an inherent conflict of interest and its support of the predatory mainline bargaining. In addition, plaintiffs point out that the Duty of Fair Representation (DFR) is a judicially created standard and that ALPA’s motion seeks to abrogate a half-century of DFR law. After considering the oral and written arguments, the court will render a decision on both motions.

Related Link: http://www.rjdefense.com/ansr2mtn.pdf

ALPA Loses Chicago Express Vote, Union's Mainline Scope at Forefront of Debate

On January 15th, the National Mediation Board announced that only forty-three percent of Chicago Express' eligible pilots had cast ballots in favor of ALPA representation. While an ALPA spokesman said the union was unable to explain the defeat, the fact that ALPA’s predatory scope policies were a frequent subject of ALPA’s own organizing "hotline" messages indicates otherwise. ALPA’s organizers cited the RJDC by name no less than twelve times and ALPA even published selective quotes from the RJDC’s materials.

Not only did ALPA's new scope at American Trans Air (ATA) raise serious questions about how the union really viewed the Chicago Express pilots, but the fact that ALPA is in court arguing that its mainline members are free to impose any restriction they wish on the union's "regional" members only made matters worse. When confronted with the facts, ALPA lamely attempted to argue that restricting the "small jet" (and thus the union members that fly them) is somehow good for the rest of the industry. Amazingly, ALPA still believed the Chicago Express pilots would vote to join ALPA, even though its own organizing materials said that the mainline scope restrictions that targeted Chicago Express pilots were good!

The rejection of ALPA at Chicago Express underscores the fact that the union's inherent conflict of interest is not going unnoticed. ALPA's refusal to address its growing internal problems in a credible fashion will continue to hinder its ability to organize the fastest growing segment of the airline industry.

Instead of telling prospective ALPA pilots they should ignore the lawful dissent of the union's own members, ALPA's organizing efforts would be much more effective if they could show how the union actually resolved its internal scope problems in a fair and equitable manner. Eight years of study committees and expensive publications that state ALPA's disenfranchised members don't understand scope isn't going to cut it anymore.

Related Links: http://www.windycitypilots.com (anti-ALPA) http://www.windycitypilots.org (pro-ALPA)

ALPA Adopts "Wait and See" Attitude as American's Pilots Attempt Take-over of Eagle's Flying and Contract

As previously reported, on December 19th, the pilots at American Airlines, represented by the Allied Pilots Association (APA), unilaterally proposed to AMR management that all flying now performed by American Eagle be brought "in house" and performed under a special provision in the APA's mainline working agreement. Under this plan, Eagle’s 70-passenger RJ’s would be transferred to mainline and then selected Eagle crews would be "permitted" to flow-through to their own aircraft once American’s 1000+ furloughed mainline pilots were recalled. Eagle’s remaining aircraft would still be numerically and operationally restricted under the APA’s plan.

In response, ALPA has told its members at American Eagle that it will adopt a "wait and see posture," and believes there is "no reason to be participating at the table" on the basis that any discussions without Eagle's pilots would be "purely speculative and hold no lasting obligation." Such statements overlook the fact that previous APA agreements have unilaterally determined what aircraft Eagle pilots could fly, where they could go, and how many they could operate. Indeed, nothing about these facts is "speculative" and the 250 furloughed Eagle pilots can attest to the "lasting obligations" of APA’s current scope language. While Eagle pilots agreed to a bi-directional flow-through several years ago, they had no voice whatsoever in the negotiations that artificially restricted and subsequently idled their aircraft operations and jobs.

ALPA's apparent failure to intercede on behalf of the Eagle pilots is undoubtedly rooted in the fact that the APA proposal is very similar to ALPA's own "Jets for Jobs" protocols that coerce "regional" pilots into accepting contracts which grant mainline pilots special employment and seniority rights in exchange for the union's "permission" to deploy more RJ's. Perhaps equally disturbing is the fact that while ALPA gives lip service to the elimination of the two-tiered system, both its own scope proposals and that of the APA still seek to restrict the rights and protections of pilot union members based upon what aircraft they fly.

Mainline Concessionary Bargaining and the Threat to "Regional" Pilots

The post "9/11" wave of concessionary bargaining has raised a new concern among those who already find themselves victimized by predatory mainline scope clauses. When ALPA permits its mainline pilots to use their scope clauses to assert control over subsidiary pilot groups, the harm to those affected is not limited to restricted career growth or scope induced furloughs. The latest vulnerability stems from the fact that there is currently no way to ensure that the economic interests of the wholly owned pilots are not implicitly or explicitly part of the mainline concessionary bargaining equation.

Circumstantial evidence gives cause for concern. Immediately after ALPA reached a mainline scope agreement at US Airways, management demanded that the pilots at the company's wholly owned subsidiaries accept both ALPA's mainline "Jets for Jobs" protocol and Draconian cost concessions. Likewise, at American Airlines, the mainline pilots are offering to negotiate a whole new American Eagle contract coincidentally while management is demanding mainline cost concessions.

One possible solution is for ALPA to erect a "wall of separation" that would prohibit mainline pilots from using the interests of subsidiary pilots in their negotiations. But since ALPA's mainline leadership routinely uses the careers of wholly owned pilots as bargaining capital, ALPA's "regional" members have little reason thus far to hope that their rights and interests will be so protected.

Is the DOT's Special Conditions at Odds with ALPA's Scope Agenda?

On January 17th, the Department of Transportation conditionally approved the proposed marketing alliance between Continental, Northwest, and Delta Air Lines. But the DOT required that sixty percent of any new code-sharing flights resulting from the alliance would have to be operated to unserved, underserved or smaller communities. Ironically, while ALPA told its mainline members that the new alliance was needed to preserve mainline jobs, it now finds that its own scope clauses may be incompatible with the DOT's special conditions.

ALPA’s dilemma is that while its mainline pilots groups have used their scope clauses to artificially restrict the operation of certain aircraft, it appears that far more of those same airliners will be needed to receive any tangible benefit from the new alliances. The DOT's ruling again underscores the fact that the future of the union's "mainline" pilots is inexorably linked to the future of all airline pilots, irrespective of airframe size or powerplant.

Related Link: http://www.dot.gov/affairs/condition.htm

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Gotta love Mr. Ford's harpings about how those evil Delta pilots are limiting his career, and how those EVIL ATA pilots are limiting the careers of Chicago Express pilots.

Keep'em coming.. this is some funny sh*t.

By the way FDJ, you basturd, how dare you attempt to limit the outsourcing of your job to the lowest bidder? You unimaginable selfish basturd! Think about those poor CMR slobs who are tired of flying the same routes, or those who need to upgrade, or get off reserve. You are limiting their careers. How dare you??????
 
To Have or HaveNot (TIC)

ceo_of_the_sofa said:
umm, can someone Cliff note this?

Way Back When...
The Haves had hordes while the HaveNots had little.
Many of the HaveNots hadn't hoped to have what the Haves had; they were happy in their haven of short-hops.

One Day....
The heavens held forth a helpful handful of plane, which hopped farther and faster than hares would dare.
The HaveNots helped the Haves by hauling their hordes from Hackensack to Hoboken.
The HaveNots flourished and were happy.

Then...
The Heads of the Haves hopped on the HaveNots and herded them into their horde. Again, the HaveNots were happy.
The Haves hoped the HaveNots would be happy with what they had, but the HaveNots hoped to halve what the Haves Had.
Who knew the Haves wouldn't half what they had?

So...
The HaveNots asked the Heads in Herndon to help them with the Haves.
The Heads in Herndon held up their hands, some said they had their heads in the sand.

Now...
The HaveNots headed to court to hold the Haves heads in the heat.
The Honorable is wringing his hands on how to handle the hubbub.

I hope you see the humor in this; it all depends on the hue you happen to Have or HaveNot.
 
To Have or not to Have ... that is the question.

Nice job.
 
Thanks.

surplus1 said:
To Have or not to Have ... that is the question.

Nice job.

Thanks,
I was concerned that many who don't remember my posts from the old board would take this differently than it was intended - at least that's what I HAD in mind.

I wish you success!
 
Re: To Have or HaveNot - Variations

Bill Mostellar said:
Way Back When...
The Haves had hordes while the HaveNots had little.
Many of the HaveNots hadn't hoped to have what the Haves had; they were happy in their haven of short-hops.

One Day....
The heavens held forth a helpful handful of plane, which hopped farther and faster than hares would dare.
The HaveNots helped the Haves by hauling their hordes from Hackensack to Hoboken.
The HaveNots flourished and were happy.

Then...
The Heads of the Haves hopped on the HaveNots and herded them into their horde. Again, the HaveNots were happy.
The Haves hoped the HaveNots would be happy with what they had, but the HaveNots hoped to halve what the Haves Had.
Who knew the Haves wouldn't half what they had?

So...
The HaveNots asked the Heads in Herndon to help them with the Haves.
The Heads in Herndon held up their hands, some said they had their heads in the sand.

Now...
The HaveNots headed to court to hold the Haves heads in the heat.
The Honorable is wringing his hands on how to handle the hubbub.

I hope you see the humor in this; it all depends on the hue you happen to Have or HaveNot.

A Parody

Way Back When...
The Haves had hordes while the HaveNots had little.
Many of the HaveNots hadn't hoped to have what the Haves had; they were not happy in their haven of short-hops.

One Day....
The heavens held forth a helpful handful of plane, which hopped farther and faster than hares would dare. The head of the Have-Nots was wise and secured the helpful handful of plane, and the Have-Nots were happy for they believed they too might now come to Have. The HaveNots helped the Haves by hauling their hordes from Hackensack to Hoboken, Montreal to Nassau, Bangor to Las Vegas, Dallas to Mexico City. The HaveNots flourished and were happy and the Haves too benefited much. But alas, the Haves were angered and sore afraid that somehow the Have-Nots might also come to Have. This they could not endure and so, they developed a new Scope plan to stop the Have-Nots.

Then...
The Heads of the Haves hopped on the HaveNots and herded them into their horde. The Haves were happy for they believed they would now at last control the Have-Nots, stop the handful of plane, take it for themselves, and the Have-Nots should be pleased and also happy, but it was not to be.

Instead,
The Have-Nots were sore afraid for they knew too well that the Haves coveted the helpful handful of plane, had developed a new Scope plan and would try to take it from the Have-Nots and spurn their people; and so it was.
The Haves hoped the HaveNots would be happy with the taking of what they had and submit in silence; after all they were but lambs and without wisdom. But the Have-Nots sought to keep what the Have-Nots had, and the Haves were angered.
Who knew the Have-Nots would not surrender what they had and might dare to resist the Haves?

So...
The HaveNots asked the Heads in Herndon to help them with the Haves and defend their just deserts, for they believed them honorable men. But it came to pass the Heads in Herndon were but puppets and the Haves controlled too well their marionettes. The Haves pulled hard the strings of power and the Heads in Herndon were turned away from the Have-Nots and against them.
The Heads in Herndon held up their freshly washed hands, and proclaimed they could do naught, lest the Have-Nots should come to pollute the horde of Haves. Some, mostly Have-Nots, said they had their heads in the sand, but the cheers of the Haves were loud and could be heard far afield and the welps of the Have-Nots could no longer be heard. The plan of the Haves for taking was consummated with the help of the Heads in Herndon, and the Haves danced with glee

Now...
The HaveNots headed to court to hold the heads of the Heads in Herndon to task and in the heat. The Honorable is wringing his hands on how to handle the hubbub. The Haves are once more afraid for they have not strings to the Honorable, the Honorable hath no water whence he might wash his hands, and thus he may restore the wealth of the Have-Nots and prevent its taking by the Haves. This the Haves want not, but they know indeed the Heads in Herdon may roll for it is written "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods."

I too hope you see the humor in this; it all depends on the hue you happen to Have or HaveNot.
 
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Booohoooohooohooohooooooooooooooo

The HaveNots are increasing every day while the Haves are disappearing every day. Instead of being honorable men, the HaveNots bury their knife deep into the Brotherhood chest and twist it to make sure there are no longer any Haves - just the HaveNots.
 

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