1900 gear collapse

[Stifler's Mom]

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[CrimsonEclipse]

pro·fes·sion·al adj.

1. Performed by persons receiving pay.

Technically speaking, I don't think you can call the F/O a professional. :erm:

:laugh:

CE

 

[Vref+Factor]

They installed a bench jump seat in the cockpit (a la DC-9) so they can carry two more PFTers. For only $20k you can have 250 hours as either the flight engineer or navigator on a B190.

As an unrelated side note, ever see the ad for "Jet University" in Flying? Picture of a 727, I think it mentions getting jet time. Anyway, I tried calling the number so I could screw around with whoever answered, and it turns out that it was really just another Gulfstream ad! Anyway, thought I'd share that tidbit.

I'm not sure why people are still associating Jet U with Gulfstream. They are 2 different companies. At Gulfstream, FO interns get 250 hrs flight time in a Beech 1900. At Jet U, Pilot interns get 250 hrs as an FE and 250 hrs as an FO in a B727. Next time you decide to share any more "tidbits", PLEASE have at least a vague idea of what you are talking about

 

[Dangerkitty]

I'm not sure why people are still associating Jet U with Gulfstream. They are 2 different companies. At Gulfstream, FO interns get 250 hrs flight time in a Beech 1900. At Jet U, Pilot interns get 250 hrs as an FE and 250 hrs as an FO in a B727. Next time you decide to share any more "tidbits", PLEASE have at least a vague idea of what you are talking about

Let me guess? You paid to fly a B-727 and you dont like being assosciated with the Gulfstream types.

 

[AirBadger]

I love how they're called "interns" instead of "customers"

 

[gkrangers]

I love how they're called "interns" instead of "customers"

lol, me too, thats classic.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Hey Vref+Factor,

Whats it like paying over $30,000 to become a B-727 crewmember?

Thats funny, American Airlines paid for my B-727 training.

 

[Groundpounder]

I'm not sure why people are still associating Jet U with Gulfstream. They are 2 different companies. At Gulfstream, FO interns get 250 hrs flight time in a Beech 1900. At Jet U, Pilot interns get 250 hrs as an FE and 250 hrs as an FO in a B727. Next time you decide to share any more "tidbits", PLEASE have at least a vague idea of what you are talking about

Soooooo why does the number for Jet "University" go to Gulfstream?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I wouldn't go to GIA if they offered a damm flow through agreement with FedEx. I am finished with putting money into aviation. Enough is enough.

 

[LearLove]

I'm not sure why people are still associating Jet U with Gulfstream. They are 2 different companies. At Gulfstream, FO interns get 250 hrs flight time in a Beech 1900. At Jet U, Pilot interns get 250 hrs as an FE and 250 hrs as an FO in a B727. Next time you decide to share any more "tidbits", PLEASE have at least a vague idea of what you are talking about

yes folks we now have a winner for the most useless piece of crapola info ever posted on flight info. Thanks for clearing that up, it was really costing me some sleep.

You know what "tidbit" I'd like to share? Anyone who pays at one or any of these companies is nothing but a sh!tbag.

 

[sleddriver71]

yes folks we now have a winner for the most useless piece of crapola info ever posted on flight info. Thanks for clearing that up, it was really costing me some sleep.

You know what "tidbit" I'd like to share? Anyone who pays at one or any of these companies is nothing but a sh!tbag.

I wasn't sure if I still had a sense of humor any more but after reading that post I found myself laughing and agreeing, thanks LearLove, that was funny, I wish I could have said it that well myself.

 

[Vref+Factor]

ok, for the record I am not a CAT intern, I have close ties with Jet U staff members. If someone wants a quick and direct way to an airline, let them make their own decisions as to how to go about it. If someone embarks on a good opportunity, who are you to tell them what to do. Bottom line is that there are 500+ pilots out there that have legitimate airline jobs because of programs like Jet U and Gulfstream. Regardless of where a persons time comes from, they still need to be able to pass an interview, training, orals, sims, and a 121 ride, ....... beey-yatches!

 

[AirBadger]

ok, for the record I am not a CAT intern, I have close ties with Jet U staff members. If someone wants a quick and direct way to an airline, let them make their own decisions as to how to go about it. If someone embarks on a good opportunity, who are you to tell them what to do. Bottom line is that there are 500+ pilots out there that have legitimate airline jobs because of programs like Jet U and Gulfstream. Regardless of where a persons time comes from, they still need to be able to pass an interview, training, orals, sims, and a 121 ride, ....... beey-yatches!

How is paying $30000 to ride right seat in a 1900C a "good opportunity", man? Noone should pay to be an "intern". It undermines legitimate pilots who should be in that seat, being payed by the company to work, not vice versa. Just as long as it's "quick and direct", right? Who cares how many fellow pilots you step on or how much you bring down the industry right?

 

[Groundpounder]

ok, for the record I am not a CAT intern, I have close ties with Jet U staff members. If someone wants a quick and direct way to an airline, let them make their own decisions as to how to go about it. If someone embarks on a good opportunity, who are you to tell them what to do. Bottom line is that there are 500+ pilots out there that have legitimate airline jobs because of programs like Jet U and Gulfstream. Regardless of where a persons time comes from, they still need to be able to pass an interview, training, orals, sims, and a 121 ride, ....... beey-yatches!

No sir, you are the beey-yatch. I would not call someone who bought a job a legitimate airline pilot. I would call them the reason why pay rates are so low in this industry. I would call them the reason why PFT exisits today. If no one would pay for their jobs, then Gulfstream and CAT would have to hire them like normal airlines. Every person that PFT's takes away a legimate job from someone who can't just shell out $30k of mommy and daddys cash.

 

[Dangerkitty]

ok, for the record I am not a CAT intern, I have close ties with Jet U staff members. If someone wants a quick and direct way to an airline, let them make their own decisions as to how to go about it. If someone embarks on a good opportunity, who are you to tell them what to do. Bottom line is that there are 500+ pilots out there that have legitimate airline jobs because of programs like Jet U and Gulfstream. Regardless of where a persons time comes from, they still need to be able to pass an interview, training, orals, sims, and a 121 ride, ....... beey-yatches!

Well Beey-yatche,

You state that you are not a dumba$$ ur intern but this is what you said a few months back when someone was making fun of the used car salesmen at Jet U.

That car salesman got me and 450 of my friends a job

You also stated this

For anyone who cares, this information is inaccurate. (Take it from someone who ACTUALLY works here). CAT is bound by legal contract to fly their interns no less than 500 hrs. If they fly you 1 hour less, they are in breech of contract and will legally be held liable.

They may be putting a hold on extending the month to month contracts after the 500 hrs is complete however, Jet University is arranging Regional Airline interviews for EVERY pilot who has completed their contract.

Then this little gem

yo, jet university is dope as sh*t. if you ain't all up in a 727 you got no room to talk bee-yatch. Suck it

For the record you tool I was "all up in a B-727" for AMERICAN AIRLINES!! Yet unlike you I didn't have to pay them to train me.

Nice web of lies you are spinning here. You actually pay someone to work for them. YOU are the definition of a whore and are the reason that airline pay is repressed.

 

[Vref+Factor]

No sir, you are the beey-yatch. I would not call someone who bought a job a legitimate airline pilot. I would call them the reason why pay rates are so low in this industry. I would call them the reason why PFT exisits today. If no one would pay for their jobs, then Gulfstream and CAT would have to hire them like normal airlines. Every person that PFT's takes away a legimate job from someone who can't just shell out $30k of mommy and daddys cash.

I'm pretty sure that the only reason that the pay rates are so low is only because every major airline screws their respective regionals and bids out the flying to places like Mesa to fly an RJ at $19 bux an hour. The funny thing is that none of these PFTrs are going to Mesa. Don't blame PFT, .... blame the management jerk offs at Northwest, American, United, Delta etc.

 

[rtmcfi]

I'm pretty sure that the only reason that the pay rates are so low is only because every major airline screws their respective regionals and bids out the flying to places like Mesa to fly an RJ at $19 bux an hour. The funny thing is that none of these PFTrs are going to Mesa. Don't blame PFT, .... blame the management jerk offs at Northwest, American, United, Delta etc.

Not so fast, mesa has a sleezy program of it's own....MAPD.
I will say though that it is not a slimy as JetU and GIA. While mesa pay sucks, it is better than paying for the job. Face it, you go to one of these scumbag outfits, you will be a pariah.....forever, the end.

 

[The_Russian]

You are all wrong. You are all idoits. None of you know what you are talking about. You are all a bunch of crybabies.

"Whaa Whaa Whaa!!! They get to fly 1900's and I don't. Whaa Whaa Whaa!!!"

That is exactly how you people have sounded to me for the last three years. NOBODY CARES! The people that go to GAA don't care. The people who think GIA is a PFT shartbag place aren't doing anything to stop it if they think its wrong. So you see, nobody cares!

None of you have ever been able to come up with a strong enough argument to silence me or any other intelligent GIA pilot. You always beat around the bush when I corner you with facts and then play your crybaby shart.

"Whaa Whaa Whaaaaaaaaa!!!"

Not one of you knows anything factual about GIA, its operation, or its pilots. You don't even know how it effects the industry if it does at all! You are CPU jockeys who have found someone to point fingers at because none of you have girlfriends. If you were getting some pus$y you might not be so stupid and hateful. I ate my share this morning. Too bad you didn't get any.

BTW I don't give a flying scab about Jet U. None of this post has anything to do with the other argument.

And, (I'm not done yet) you guys suck for hijacking this thread for political BS. Those guys did a great job bringing that plane in! Cheers to them!

 

[gkrangers]

Do people pay, to perform the duties of FO, for an air carrier, that carries paying passengers?

 

[s3jetman]

yes gcrank but not as much as i had to pay your mom last night for the crappy job she did!!

 

[s3jetman]

The crazy russian is right! (for once) this thread was meant to talk about the gear collapse and how the two pilots did a dam good job at keeping everyone alive! Congrats to the two men who did an great job! Both of which are real airline pilots. I have had my medical pulled for 4 years and 2months! I wish some of you on this board would put forth the effrot to bitch about how shatty the FAA is in recards to doing thier job and quit compling about fellow pilots. I love the industry and cant wait to return the the sky!! I come on here and read about people complanning cause of stupid shat, making fun of others, and ask myself why i would ever return to an industry like this. but then again i have met people like the crew that was flying that plane and realize only 5% of the pilot group is here bitching about flying and their job and how life sucks, aviation sucks, we dont get paid, your airline hires dorks, your airline has fat FA's! Bla Bla Bla Bla!!!!!!!!! I will not work for free and dont expect anyone else to but i would kill just to fly a 4 seater right now so look at the bright side your not in my position!!!

Those who have tasted flight
Walk the earth with thier eyes turned to the sky
For it is there they have been
And there they long to return!!

Russian Someday Soon I will be your right seat guy!!!

 

[gkrangers]

There was one pilot, and one "intern".

 

[The_Russian]

Do people pay, to perform the duties of FO, for an air carrier, that carries paying passengers?

Yes. But it depends on how you look at it. You obviously look at it negatively. I look at it as a positive learning experience for the person and their career. The GAA students are no different than your 1200 hour CFI in the respect that they are on the same level as each other once on the line. I agree that the CFI generally has more confidence and skill, however I have met 1500 hour CFII-MEI pilots with turbine experience that couldn't fly for shat at GIA and got canned. While 300 hour wonder boys have really impressed me. You know what? Nevermind. Because you are just gonna whine lke the rest of them. You will not learn from me, who has direct experience on both sides of the fence, nor will you understand me. You are ignorant. Continue whining.

Next....

 

[The_Russian]

The crazy russian is right! (for once) this thread was meant to talk about the gear collapse and how the two pilots did a dam good job at keeping everyone alive! Congrats to the two men who did an great job! Both of which are real airline pilots. I have had my medical pulled for 4 years and 2months! I wish some of you on this board would put forth the effrot to bitch about how shatty the FAA is in recards to doing thier job and quit compling about fellow pilots. I love the industry and cant wait to return the the sky!! I come on here and read about people complanning cause of stupid shat, making fun of others, and ask myself why i would ever return to an industry like this. but then again i have met people like the crew that was flying that plane and realize only 5% of the pilot group is here bitching about flying and their job and how life sucks, aviation sucks, we dont get paid, your airline hires dorks, your airline has fat FA's! Bla Bla Bla Bla!!!!!!!!! I will not work for free and dont expect anyone else to but i would kill just to fly a 4 seater right now so look at the bright side your not in my position!!!

Those who have tasted flight
Walk the earth with thier eyes turned to the sky
For it is there they have been
And there they long to return!!

Russian Someday Soon I will be your right seat guy!!!

Hey man,

I can't wait to fly with you. What I really can't wait for is for you to become a Captain at GIA. You have had it harder than anyone else I have known. And you continue to stick with it.

To the rest of you....

No one on this board can complain vs s3jetman. Too bad we don't know what it is like to be in his shoes. Because if we did, we would kneel and humble instantly.

You all sicken me.

 

[sleddriver71]

I didn't see a link and I don't know anything other than the gear of a 1900 collapsed. What did the pilots do that "saved lives?" I think The_Russian said this. I didn't think a collapsed gear was all that big of a deal but then again I don't know exactly what happened.

 

[The_Russian]

I didn't see a link and I don't know anything other than the gear of a 1900 collapsed. What did the pilots do that "saved lives?" I think The_Russian said this. I didn't think a collapsed gear was all that big of a deal but then again I don't know exactly what happened.

The drag brace lower bolt sheared during retraction. This left the gear dangling below the aircraft freely. Most likely the airflow pushed the main tires behind the trailing edge of the wing. The crew knew they had a problem coming in to FLL from Fresh Creek (Andros). They did the fly-bys and stuff and burned fuel down. They decided to land with the gear extended and did a great job teetering it onto the runway. No one ended up dead in the ditch.

Only on Flightinfo can RJ pilots get the key to the city for blowing tires and 1900 GIA guys get shat on for landing without a leg.

 

[sleddriver71]

Thanks for filling me in, I assumed it was on landing, glad it worked out as good as it did.

 

[Vref+Factor]

Ss3jetman, The Russian, and I are all going to get our girls together and get smashed and have a massive 6 way, .... suck it

 

[titans10]

No sir, you are the beey-yatch. I would not call someone who bought a job a legitimate airline pilot. I would call them the reason why pay rates are so low in this industry. I would call them the reason why PFT exisits today. If no one would pay for their jobs, then Gulfstream and CAT would have to hire them like normal airlines. Every person that PFT's takes away a legimate job from someone who can't just shell out $30k of mommy and daddys cash.

This all started back in the early 90's when all the eagle commuter pilots had to pft to fly death darts and brazila. So dont plane these youngs guys for it. It all started way before you guys were in high school. NO, i do not work there and never did pft.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Ss3jetman, The Russian, and I are all going to get our girls together and get smashed and have a massive 6 way, .... suck it

I am sure you will have to pay for that 6 way too.