182's New Glass Panel

[Citationkid]

All the singles but the 172 should have this as an option soon.

 

[stillaboo]

"I remember when the airframe used to cost more than the avionics."

And ice cream cost $.05 too.

Those were the days . . .

 

[Iceman21]

All I gotta say is wow!!!

 

[flywithastick]

Nice, but it's probably still all dry vacuum pump driven! Yes, I am joking...

Seriously - what a shame to put all those nice toys in a spam can. Would go much nicer in a Lancair (any).

 

[j41driver]

Is there no backup nav equipment? All I see is backup airspeed, attitude, and altitude.

 

[starvingcfi]

also no backup engine. who would wanna fly that?

actually, i love 182's. i would love to play in one of those for a bit.

 

[j41driver]

also no backup engine. who would wanna fly that?

I was under the impression that the new singles with EFIS also had backup nav instruments also so you could actually fly an approach if both/all the screens fail. Is that not the way that they are certified?

 

[bobbysamd]

Glass 182

Cool. I'd want to fly one, although it's overkill for the type of airplane it is.

Even with the glass I bet that the 182 in question is still an SOB to land without people or payload in the back. Having said that, I could see where flight schools would be interested in glass 182s for advanced IFR training - better than some $8K RJ sim nonsense that will be forgotten six months later.

 

[Flyguy5432H]

the place where i'm going my CFI at is getting one of those new 182's sometime soon.

might have to shell out some cash to take that thing around the area for a little while.

 

[JimNtexas]

I guess someone at Cessna woke up long enough to see all the sales that Cirrus has taken away from them.

I understand that BRS is working on a certified parachute for the C182 as well. If not, they'd better start.

If Cessna really has a clue, they'd start selling diesel motors for the C182 tomorrow.

 

[FL240]

stillaboo

you've outdone youself with that avatar!

All I have to say is it's too bad it has taken Cessna so long to try to catch up to the likes of Cirrus and Lancair.

 

[avbug]

This should go a long way to make aviation even more affordable, shouldn't it? (not)

The BRS system is a brilliant piece of work. In the Cirrus, it's failed every time it's been deployed, except once.

But at least it sells airplanes to those too inxperienced to know better than to be wowed by useless expense.

 

[BeachBum]

What a complete waste of money. I hate it when I go to an FBO to rent a plane and they try to charge me some outrageous amount per hour because they have brand new planes with all kinds of gadgets and gizmos that you don't need in a light single engine plane. I'd much rather pay less for a thirty year old maintained aircraft that flies just as well. Really, why would you need that kind of avionics package in a 182?

 

[JimNtexas]

This should go a long way to make aviation even more affordable, shouldn't it? (not)

The BRS system is a brilliant piece of work. In the Cirrus, it's failed every time it's been deployed, except once.

But at least it sells airplanes to those too inxperienced to know better than to be wowed by useless expense.

Its not for us, Avbug, its for our wives.

 

[avbug]

Your wife is a skydiver? Congratulations.

Parachutes belong on your back, not on the airplane.

The parachute is viewed as a panic button. With one exception, the uses of the BRS system on the Cirrus by the owners and pilots have been cases in which pilots did stupid things, such as lost control in instrument meteorological conditions, and used the parachute as a panic button. A solid arguement may be made that these pilots were lead, with false confidence, into these conditions with the promise of such an "out."

The only exception has been an individual who failed to properly preflight, and had an aileron linkage separation. He landed under canopy ; the first sucessful deployment of the questionable system.

Seems to me that if they build an adequate airplane, they wouldn't need to give it a parachute...and if the pilots had adequate training, they wouldn't be goaded into thinking that it is of some benifit. Personally, I'd feel much better if the airplane wasn't at risk of falling apart in the first place. Then it wouldn't need the parachute. Or how about pilots who were trained to a minimum level of competence, who didn't feel the need to do stupid things that left only deploying a parachute attached to an airplane to save their sorry hides?

Some are taught that when in doubt, punch out. The rest of us learned early on to simply fly the biggest piece back down...or just not break the airplane in the first place.

I've got a spare parachute. Tell your wife she's welcome to use it any time.

 

[JimNtexas]

Your wife is a skydiver? Congratulations.

Parachutes belong on your back, not on the airplane.

Actually, she was until she grew up and got some sense.

I'm not going to argue about the usefulness of the chute.

Those of us who pay for our own airplanes understand that our wives have a big vote on purchase decisions.

They may seem like silly women to you, but a lot wives are much happier in a Cirrus than in a C182, just because of the BRS chute. They are married to professional men between 40 and 60, the kind that tend to have heart attacks. They think about having that handle and having a chance to survive Dad's heart attack in the airplane. It's a huge selling point in favor of Cirrus for a lot of buyers.

I want to see Cessna suceed. The chute is a big selling point for a lot of the customers for this class of airplane.

If Cessna is going to compete with their fifty year old design then they need to do everything in their power to compete with Cirrus.

 

[avbug]

I think the answer is proper education. One should properly educate ones wife that if one dies, she's better off dying too; she won't be alone, and she won't have to figure out how to try to program the VCR on her own, either. That takes care of the heart attack issue. Tell her that going out together in an airplane is romantic. Much better than getting trapped under a bus for twelve hours while one slowly suffocates, while adjacent to and downwind from a pig farm on a hot july day in a place that has a lot of fire ants.

I say let her wear the parachute. She will be safer jumping, won't have any fuel or combustibles around her when she lands, and besides...it's a free skydive. Can't beat a deal like that, with a stick. That would cost eighteen bucks for a lift ticket at any drop zone, and she's getting it for free. Plus, if she uses the parachute by jumping, she doesn't have to pony up funeral costs or arrange for the cremation; it's automatic for you.

See? Many hidden benifits you probably never even considered.

Is it only professional men that have heart attacks? I could go find something less skilled to do right now and save myself the trouble. I would submit that rather than investing a quarter of a million dollars for a plastic airplane with a ripcord, one could simply sell one's golf clubs (and make money in the doing), instead. It's a known fact that golf clubs, like glazed donuts, cause cancer, and that the liklihood of cancer, brain wasting diseases, and acne are exponentially higher with increasing proximity to golf clubs. Sell the clubs, live longer. It's a proven fact. Then you aren't as high a risk, don't need the parachute, and can fly a metal airplane that's at least a different specific density than your credit card.

Your wife may have grown up, but giving up skydiving cannot be equated with getting some sense. Just giving up. Wuffoization is never a pretty sight, nor a happy choice to make. I imagine that in her heart, she is still a skydiver.

I think that the same buyers who purchase a Cirrus for the ballistic parachute are the same kind who would purchase a car based on the vanity mirror and cup holders.

 

[JimNtexas]

I think the answer is proper education. One should properly educate ones wife that if one dies, she's better off dying too; she won't be alone, and she won't have to figure out how to try to program the VCR on her own, either. That takes care of the heart attack issue. Tell her that going out together in an airplane is romantic. Much better than getting trapped under a bus for twelve hours while one slowly suffocates, while adjacent to and downwind from a pig farm on a hot july day in a place that has a lot of fire ants.

Avbug, put down the crack pipe and get some professional help. I think perhaps you've flown through one too many trees.

 

[avbug]

I did. The so-called professionals told me to pick three out of the five voices and concentrate on listening to only them. Cut down on the clutter and the chit-chat, said they. Take two aspirin, call us in the morning. Leave a credit card number. That sort of thing.

If I'd flown through one too many trees, I'd be dead. I'd say that means there are probably a few more to go.

 

[stillaboo]

Some are taught that when in doubt, punch out. The rest of us learned early on to simply fly the biggest piece back down...or just not break the airplane in the first place.

I dare you to post this on the military board.