172 crash in HKY tonight

[U of I Tweak]

your opinion

Iceman,
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you stating your opinion. I was mostly responding to siu saying his opinion as a fact (4 people in a 172 is too heavy for touch and go's). I was only saying that it's perfectly within the 172's performance envelope to do touch and go's at max gross weight. If you fly it at the IAS that it's supposed to be flown at, you won't encounter a problem. If you're over weight, or out of the CG range that's a totally different story.

As to you siu....I don't need your opinion of my flying.

 

[de Pez]

That is rediculous, along with the rest of this thread.

There are 19 replies to the original post. The majority, five of them are yours..are you including your five posts when you call it "rediculous, or is it simply ridiculous.?"

 

[starvingcfi]

iceman (because you obviously have nerves of steel and ice water coarsing through your veins )

you really should read up on your maneuvers before you start teaching. a 172 doing touch and go's with 4 pax isn't necessarily begging to be stalled. V speeds are there for a reason. please study a little before you put that "newly minted" cfi cert to work. otherwise, we're going to have a lot of ignorant student pilots coming up through the ranks.

also, on a more personal note, grow some. you're not going to be a very successful cfi if you're afraid of touch and go's in a cessna. from cfi to cfi, you're going to have to live up to your name.

...but also, i just hate whiners.

 

[siucavflight]

Starving CFI,
Now i know why you are a starving cfi. People are scared to fly with people like you.
Did you know that one of the five dangerous attitudes is

You guessed it machoism, and you are exhibiting quite a few of the symptoms,

there is another one called invulnerability, the antitode to that one is, it can happen to me.

 

[starvingcfi]

oh jesus christ. don't give me your flight school bullsh*t. there's a difference between your machoism and not being a pu$$y. obviously you're not familiar with that difference. that leads me to believe you're a pu$$y.

by the way, i haven't had a student in a while because i don't instruct anymore. read a f*cking profile.

 

[starvingcfi]

you know, my passengers have never complained either. i'm not so sure people are afraid of flying with me. i generally get tipped very well for the smooth ride.

also, i've had to declare a couple of emergencies this summer with pax on board. i handled both very well and got the plane down safely.

don't talk sh*t.

 

[siucavflight]

Starving,
Just because i am not willing to do touch and goes over loaded with full fuel and 4 pax's in a 172 on a day with a density altitude of 7500 feet does not make me a pu$$y as you say. The difference between me and you is that i do not care what you call me I am not willing to take the risks that might come from the exact situation that you described.
By viewing your last response I can see that you are the type of person who would do something dangerous in an aircraft because someone would call you a pu$$y if you did not do it.

 

[bigD]

Sorry to butt into this pissing contest, but can someone please fill me in as to why the landing and take-off phases of touch and go's are any different than any normal takeoff or landing?

As long as the plane's within weight and balance limits, and performance has been considered (runway length, climb rate, etc...), I guess I just don't see why touch and go's are different than any other flight operation.

Same with feathering a prop to practice - if you're within limits and know you have the performance, why does having four people in a Seminole matter?

 

[siucavflight]

Touch and gos are not really different than any other takeoff and landing.

 

[starvingcfi]

who said anything about being overweight? UofI said nearly max gross. so what's wrong with flying a plane that's almost at mtow?

you're not making any f*cking sense.

don't fly an airplane over gross...unless someone calls you a pu$$y.

 

[WrightAvia]

also, i've had to declare a couple of emergencies this summer with pax on board.

I suppose it is a bit of a scary feeling hearing thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, while flying in a 152. Soon followed by the feeling of embarrassment upon realizing that it was the end of your seat belt hanging out the door, after you had declared an emergency and did your best "under stress" landing with the fire trucks lining the runway. But to have done it a couple of times?

 

[WrightAvia]

don't talk sh*t.

Declaring a couple of emergencies a summer, now that's some sh!t talkin'.

 

[starvingcfi]

haha. what've you been following me around?

 

[WrightAvia]

Yea, but not to the point of stalking. I put the RAZZ in PAPARAZZO, so at least I got that going for me.

 

[starvingcfi]

ahh caddyshack. greatest movie ever.

 

[ArcticFlier]

did it occur to anyone that the four people in question where actually midgets?

Weight wasn't an issue, apparently. Being able to see, though.................

AF

 

[lookup]

Now THIS is a scary thread...

Here, have a little gasoline on that fire...

Did s/he have too much pitch, or not enough power?

(he he.. yes, just trolling )

LU

(Oh, and yes, I too am thankful that no one was hurt.)

 

[Weasil]

Preliminary NTSB report

NTSB Identification: ATL04LA040
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, November 22, 2003 in Hickory, NC
Aircraft: Cessna 172, registration: N61924
Injuries: 4 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On November 22, 2003, at 1803 eastern standard time, a Cessna 172, N61924, registered to and operated by a commercial pilot, nosed over during at attempted landing on runway 24 at hickory Regional Airport in Hickory, North Carolina. The instructional flight operated under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 91 with no flight plan filed. Visual weather conditions prevailed at the time of the accident. The certified flight instructor (CFI), the student pilot and the two other occupants were not injured. The airplane sustained substantial damage. The flight departed Mount Airy/Surry County Airport in Mount, Airy North Carolina, at 1703, on November 22, 2003.

According to the CFI, the flight was cleared for a series of touch and go landings to runway 24. During one of the procedures, the airplane touched down, rolled about 1400 feet, when the airplane veered to the right as the student pilot applied throttle for the "go" phase of the procedure. The airplane continued off the runway surface into the grass, crossed a taxiway and nosed over.

 

[Weasil]

Another news article.

A small plane with four people aboard crashed Saturday evening at the Hickory Regional Airport, but no one was seriously injured. The Cessna 172M crashed shortly after 7 p.m. and rested upside down at the airport, Hickory Fire Department spokeswoman Terri Rhodes said. The passengers were removed from the plane and don't require hospitalization, Rhodes said.Rhodes said it was unclear whether the plane was landing or taking off at the time of the crash. Hickory police and fire officials were at the crash scene Saturday evening.

Federal Aviation Administration records list the plane's owner as Freddy Gray of Mount Airy. The 28-year-old aircraft has a registration date of 2001, the records show.