15 More Q400's for Colgan-CAL

[CALRepublic]

I'm trying to keep up, but it's hard so help me out here....Who is worse?

1- Republic guys for stealing Midwest Jobs
2- Colgan guys stealing xpress jet, co express, pinnacle or whoeverelse
3- Mesaba for stealing ASA Jobs
4- Go Jet for stealing whatever it is they're accused of
5-Trans states for taking eagle jobs...or is it the other way around...
6- Mainline pilots giving up SCOPE and letting all this nonsense happen

I can't figure it out anymore!!
(insert sarcasm here for those of you who "don't get it")

What will it take for all of you to figure out what is REALLY going on here?

Mesa started this BS....they approached airlines offering to fly for peanuts. Since the mid 90s, when Mesa pull this crap, its been a race to the bottom.

just thinking about it pisses me off

 

[suupah]

Depends on the plane flown. I think we at Piedmont get paid decent for a 37 seat plane. Airwiskey seem to pay good for a 50 seat RJ, and Horizon pays very well for a 70 Seat Prop and Jet.


How do you define a pilots worth? EMB170 for 23.00?

For some reason we are conditioned to think that if you make 30k your first year and 50k your second as an airline pilot you are paid well. With the amount of responsibility, skill and training required for the job we should get at least what an entry level engineer or other comparably skilled professional would make.

That being said every fo out there should start at 45-55k first year and every capt should make no less than 80k.

we ALL have a long way to go.

 

[WSurf]

For some reason we are conditioned to think that if you make 30k your first year and 50k your second as an airline pilot you are paid well. With the amount of responsibility, skill and training required for the job we should get at least what an entry level engineer or other comparably skilled professional would make.

That being said every fo out there should start at 45-55k first year and every capt should make no less than 80k.

we ALL have a long way to go.

How can we get paid what an entry level engineers gets paid? With modern cockpits and automation I could walk down the street and grab 10 folks with no experience and have about 8 them flying a modern jet in 6 months.

Bottom line is that job is not hard. And as long as people are willing to whore themselves it will never ever get better.

 

[suupah]

How can we get paid what an entry level engineers gets paid? With modern cockpits and automation I could walk down the street and grab 10 folks with no experience and have about 8 them flying a modern jet in 6 months.

Bottom line is that job is not hard. And as long as people are willing to whore themselves it will never ever get better.

Yes, physically controlling the plane has become easier. However, that is really a small part of our job. and I would disagree that 8 out of 10 off the street could do it. I think 5 out of 10 that want to do it can.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Bottom line is that job is not hard. And as long as people are willing to whore themselves it will never ever get better.

It isn't hard, until the shee-ite (or geese) hit the fan. The pay should be commensurate with the responsibility. No matter how easy the job seems most days, the responsibility is still extraordinary and we are undercompensated by any measure.

I am not for a moment suggesting that your compensation should determine to what degree you act like a professional on the job. Professional ethics (I know management doesn't have any-- Let that one go!) dictates that we remain professional regardless of the compensation we recieve... If not for our passenger's sakes, than for our own! What does concern me is that the low level of compensation effects the industry's ability to attract and hold people who want to go the extra mile to improve their knowledge of the art. Good flying skills, good judgement and the desire to improve both continuously are (still) important and compensation levels directly effect the ability to recruit and retain those people most likely to exhibit these traits and skill sets.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Good news, here's to growth :beer:

Next time a stranger offers you candy, stop and think before you take it

 

[DTWFO]

Time for 9E guys to just close down this airline and then we don't have to worry about putting up with the b...s... at this place anymore!

 

[Raskal]

Next time a stranger offers you candy, stop and think before you take it

Sarcasm is lost upon the inbred.

 

[CopilotDoug]

If that is the case, Raskal, I'll retract the part aimed at you. However, I suspect more than one or two Colon pilots are frothing at the mouth over the idea of more planes.

 

[WSurf]

If that is the case, Raskal, I'll retract the part aimed at you. However, I suspect more than one or two Colon pilots are frothing at the mouth over the idea of more planes.

And why won't they? Hell, thats what anyone wants at there airline is growth.

This is a Chance now for Colgan to have some kinda leverage to neg. a decent contract.

 

[Raskal]

And why won't they? Hell, thats what anyone wants at there airline is growth.

This is a Chance now for Colgan to have some kinda leverage to neg. a decent contract.

I guess that's one strategy. Personally, management wants growth just as much if not more than the pilots (to line their pockets) so I would think an argument could be made that there's more leverage prior to new aircraft than after. But, maybe not.

 

[WSurf]

Well at Mesa JO dangled the Upgrade Carrot to them 2 contracts ago. They knew if they signed the contract more RJ's would be on the way.
So what happens is all the FO's would vote yes (to get a faster upgrade), and many Junior Capts. also would vote yes for a better QOL.
These votes tend to defeat the Middle to upper seniorty captains looking for money.

Just my take on it. Who knows. We all seem like suckers once or twice in our careers.

 

[Sig]

Who knows. We all seem like suckers once or twice in our careers.

INCOMING!!!

 

[luvz2fli]

This is a Chance now for Colgan to have some kinda leverage to neg. a decent contract.

Ya because that's worked so well for Pinnacle and their new contract hasn't it? Oh wait...

 

[WSurf]

Ya because that's worked so well for Pinnacle and their new contract hasn't it? Oh wait...

Anyone flying a 50 Seat RJ doesn't have a chance now for any kinda pay improvement.

Even with oil dropping, airlines are looking to park the hell out of them.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Ya because that's worked so well for Pinnacle and their new contract hasn't it? Oh wait...

This is different, Colgan has ALPA and...um...er...nevermind.

 

[vectorvictor]

How can we get paid what an entry level engineers gets paid? With modern cockpits and automation I could walk down the street and grab 10 folks with no experience and have about 8 them flying a modern jet in 6 months.

Bottom line is that job is not hard. And as long as people are willing to whore themselves it will never ever get better.

I agree with the whoring part, but, this job is hard. We carry the lives of our passengers in our hands everyday. My family is personally at risk for my actions every day I go to work. I can't close my office door, and put my head down or just phone it in. I have a hard job.

VV