141 ground training

[squakalt]

I'll spare the details, but under 141.81 can a CFII ASEL IA give the ground training required for both helicopter and airplane ground training? If not what would the CFII ASEL need to do in order to qualify to give private helicopter ground training under 141?

 

[Andy Neill]

Sec. 141.33
Personnel.
(a) An applicant for a pilot school certificate or for a provisional pilot school certificate must meet the following personnel requirements:
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(3) Each instructor to be used for ground or flight training must hold a flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air rating, as appropriate, with ratings for the approved course of training and any aircraft used in that course.
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Sec. 141.81
Ground training.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each instructor who is assigned to a ground training course must hold a flight or ground instructor certificate, or a commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air rating, with the appropriate rating for that course of training.
(b) A person who does not meet the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section may be assigned ground training duties in a ground training course, if:
(1) The chief instructor who is assigned to that ground training course finds the person qualified to give that training; and
(2) The training is given while under the supervision of the chief instructor or the assistant chief instructor who is present at the facility when the training is given.
(c) An instructor may not be used in a ground training course until that instructor has been briefed on to the objectives and standards of that course by the chief instructor, assistant chief instructor, or check instructor.

 

[Princedietrich]

I would be inclined to say no. In most cases of flight and ground instruction, you can't legally teach it unless you have it yourself and have the instructor rating to go with it.

 

[squakalt]

What if the CFII IA in question added an AGI?

 

[Andy Neill]

That would do it as far as I can tell. You would need to get up to speed on things like swashplates, translating tendency and effective translational lift, etc.

 

[squakalt]

When you think you've seen it all.......

Just when you think you've cussed, discussed, and put to bed every scenario; a new one appears.

That's what my reasearch is telling me too.

Thanks!!