12 Hour Duty Day for TRAIN CONDUCTORS?!

[Jar Jar]

Engineer sent text 22 seconds before fatal train crash - CNN.com

"The bill, which passed by a 74-24 vote"...

"also limits the hours a week rail crews can work, and prohibits shifts longer than 12 hours, the AP said."

 

[flyf15]

Its important. Unlike airline pilots, train conductors need to be fully awake when they loose an engine at V1 with windshear in the area.

 

[Andy Neill]

You think it's easy to text message for 12 hours? You try it some time.

 

[Flip]

You think it's easy to text message for 12 hours? You try it some time.

Exactly. Especially on the iPhone.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Be careful what you wish for....A 12 hour duty day would most likely result in more days at work and more nights away from home.....

 

[TristarJS30]

Nothing is going to change until pilots falls asleep and fly it into the ground. The government, especially the FAA, has always been reactive instead of proactive.

 

[dispatchguy]

Nothing like regulation by body count...

 

[DoinTime]

Regulation is always written in blood.

 

[makersmarc]

Be careful what you wish for....A 12 hour duty day would most likely result in more days at work and more nights away from home.....

Or, it might mean that the company has to hire more pilots.

 

[SLUF4]

this was brought up after the pinnacle accident in TVC. they had been on duty nearly 14 hours if I remember correctly. I think the NTSB said trains have to stop and change crews at 12 hours-it's a hard limit.

 

[Flybet3]

Its important. Unlike airline pilots, train conductors need to be fully awake when they loose an engine at V1 with windshear in the area.

When has that ever happened?!!! fu****ng drama queen!

 

[PCL_128]

Be careful what you wish for....A 12 hour duty day would most likely result in more days at work and more nights away from home.....

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense, Joey? I've already proven to you several times that this is false. Our 12-hour max duty day gives us more efficient schedules and more days off than you get at ASA. I wouldn't give it up for anything. It really should be a regulation rather than a contractual work rule.

 

[Flyer1015]

When has that ever happened?!!! fu****ng drama queen!

Are you saying engine failures don't happen at/after V1? Has happened before, and can happen again.

 

[PCL_128]

Are you saying engine failures don't happen at/after V1? Has happened before, and can happen again.

Just happened to one of our 737s last month, in fact.

 

[Flybet3]

Are you saying engine failures don't happen at/after V1? Has happened before, and can happen again.

V1 cuts happen, but that's not what he said

Its important. Unlike airline pilots, train conductors need to be fully awake when they loose an engine at V1 with windshear in the area.

Why you always gotta be a numbnuts bro?

 

[CFI2766]

FLybet,

Who's side are you on?

 

[Flybet3]

FLybet,

Who's side are you on?

About what? :laugh:

 

[lindsaya99]

Keep in mind that is no 30 in 7 rule for railroad conductors and engineers. I remember talking with crews that had only one 24 hour break one month. Probably not the norm but I can/did happen.

 

[11thHour]

Why you always gotta be a numbnuts bro?

I think you entirely missed the point of his post.

 

[Metro752]

About what? :laugh:

Are you as dumb as that thing in your picture looks?

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr *drool*

 

[lithstrip]

I worked 121 for about 7yrs, now I work for a short-line Railroad. The 12 hrs is a hard limit for operating the train, and yes they stop wherever they are when thay reach 12 hrs. But, they have no provision currently for mandatory time off. The new legislation provides for just such time off, this legislation is supposed to be headed to Bush's desk to be signed.

 

[wms]

We diverted coming home on a stand-up once and timed-out. After I did the PA and explained why we couldn't go any further a guy came up to me and said he couldn't believe we could work 16 hours. He said he worked for the railroad and could only work 12.

Of course some of the other PAX were angry about getting stranded and some even made rude remarks. Then we hopped back in the plane and 91'd it on home.

I'll never 91 a plane beyond 16 hours again.

 

[Flybet3]

Are you as dumb as that thing in your picture looks?

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr *drool*

No, but I am as scary.

 

[Flybet3]

I think you entirely missed the point of his post.

And I think he missed mine.

 

[joe_pilot]

Regulation is always written in blood.

And sometimes in $$$

 

[007]

I'll never 91 a plane beyond 16 hours again.

Whhaaatt, Whhhaaatt, Whaaatt..........WHAT?

WOW, I though only the cargo outfits did sh!t like that.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Nothing is going to change until pilots falls asleep and fly it into the ground. The government, especially the FAA, has always been reactive instead of proactive.

Messa's premier division gho! has led the way in this area, they are waiting for volunteer/narcoleptics for phase II, the impact phase.
PBR

 

[Oakum_Boy]

MESA pilots hit 12 hours and wherever they are, cut the engines and coast it in, break out the plywood.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Or, it might mean that the company has to hire more pilots.

Having to hire more pilots would be bad because that increases the company's per flight hour cost. That translates to less flying.

Listen to Joe, he is right that to get 12 hour duty days will likely not be what you expect. (Either more days away from home, or a shrinking company...your pick.)

 

[SLUF4]

Having to hire more pilots would be bad because that increases the company's per flight hour cost. That translates to less flying.

Listen to Joe, he is right that to get 12 hour duty days will likely not be what you expect. (Either more days away from home, or a shrinking company...your pick.)

Well, studies have shown that the accident rate goes up exponentially after 10-12 hours on duty so if that means I get to live that's a bonus.