117 & Airport Reserve

[sennant]

Looking to see if any airlines are placing reserve pilots in airport reserve after the completion of flying. First two weeks here, you flew you were done upon return. Co recently starting throwing airport reserve on at the end of flying because "it's part of an FDP". Any other airline doing this?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Which company?

 

[veneratio]

Once you block in FDP ends, if there is nothing on your schedule at block in than they can't add anything else unless your get 10 hours of rest.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!

Oh my sides hurt so much!!

 

[sennant]

Once you block in FDP ends, if there is nothing on your schedule at block in than they can't add anything else unless your get 10 hours of rest.

it's not being added it's being built into the pairing assignment.

 

[SiuDude]

Once you block in FDP ends, if there is nothing on your schedule at block in than they can't add anything else unless your get 10 hours of rest.

Correct. One way get around this is to put airport stand-by on your schedule, and notify you, prior to block-in.

 

[timmay]

Once you block in FDP ends, if there is nothing on your schedule at block in than they can't add anything else unless your get 10 hours of rest.

117.21 Reserve status.
(a) Unless specifically designated as airport/standby or short-call reserve by the certificate holder, all reserve is considered long-call reserve.

(b) Any reserve that meets the definition of airport/standby reserve must be designated as airport/standby reserve. For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status is part of the flightcrew member?s flight duty period.

(c) For short call reserve,

(1) The reserve availability period may not exceed 14 hours.

(2) For a flightcrew member who has completed a reserve availability period, no certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment of a reserve availability period unless the flightcrew member receives the required rest in ? 117.25(e).

(3) For an unaugmented operation, the total number of hours a flightcrew member may spend in a flight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the lesser of the maximum applicable flight duty period in Table B of this part plus 4 hours, or 16 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.

(4) For an augmented operation, the total number of hours a flightcrew member may spend in a flight duty period and a reserve availability period may not exceed the flight duty period in Table C of this part plus 4 hours, as measured from the beginning of the reserve availability period.

(d) For long call reserve, if a certificate holder contacts a flightcrew member to assign him or her to a flight duty period that will begin before and operate into the flightcrew member?s window of circadian low, the flightcrew member must receive a 12 hour notice of report time from the certificate holder.

(e) A certificate holder may shift a reserve flightcrew member?s reserve status from long-call to short-call only if the flightcrew member receives a rest period as provided in ? 117.25(e).

 

[Cpt Oveur]

It must be added to your schedule prior to block in. Notification can occur afterwards, as long as they can provide proof to you that it was added to your assignment prior to block in...

 

[COOPERVANE]

Well, I stand corrected. I can't seem to find clear guidance on this in FAR117. Is there a Q&A where this is addressed?

I was told to stand by for an hour last week. So that is NOT allowed anymore?

Why make this so complicated? Why not state a reserve MAY have to call for release but SHALL BE unless an assignment is placed on his schedule prior to block in from prior assignment?

 

[OCP]

This is from the ALPA Q&A. I read it to say like the above said it. If they give it to you before block in its legal. If they give it to you after you block in its not, you need 10 hours rest.

Q-87. A flightcrew member on reserve is assigned a 3-day trip. On day 3, the flightcrew member flies one segment and returns to base. After block-in, the certificate holder assigns 3 additional segments which can be completed within the FDP, flight time and cumulative limits. Is this permissible?

A-87. If the flightcrew member has completed the FDP (blocked in), he/she cannot be placed on a RAP to allow further flight assignments until he/she has received a 10 consecutivehour rest. However, before the end of the FDP, the certificate holder could reschedule and add the 3 flight segments. In that event, the flightcrew member would have to recalculate the FDP, flight time and cumulative limits to determine if the additional flight segments can be legally f lown. The flightcrew member would also have to reaffirm his or her fitness for duty before beginning each flight segment

 

[OCP]

I was told there is a place on xjt.com where we can see when something was put on our schedule but I don't remember were it was. Anyone know?

 

[Leroy Smith]

I was told there is a place on xjt.com where we can see when something was put on our schedule but I don't remember were it was. Anyone know?

SchedPlus+> My Schedule> Options> Crew Trac History...

Not a user friendly format, but all there (allegedly).

 

[COOPERVANE]

I spoke to scheduling about this (ASA). They didn't know for sure what the rules are so right now they are just releasing everyone.

I wonder if they will disable our ability to view crew track history now?

 

[OCP]

or they will just tack an hour on EVERYONE'S trip before they are blocked in.

 

[BigFlyr]

Any standby duty is only worth 16 hours or the FDP plus 4 whichever is shorter. Assuming you've already completed 6 hours or so since the beginning of your FDP and the beginning of your "airport standby" you would only be good for a max of 10 hours more duty or the remainder of your FDP plus 4 which could be as little as 9 hours or 14 to begin with so there would only be 3 hours or 8 hours max that they could use you... Confused? Me too...

 

[veneratio]

Also, if you are on reserve and ONLY have a deadhead that day, scheduling cannot legally add any flying segments after the deadhead (even if they add the flight segment before the deadhead flight blocks in).

 

[Mickey Mouse]

If you happen to be on reserve at your current company, please find ways to preserve your health and your career. That is your primary objective.

 

[asayankee]

Also, if you are on reserve and ONLY have a deadhead that day, scheduling cannot legally add any flying segments after the deadhead (even if they add the flight segment before the deadhead flight blocks in).

I have not seen this interpretation anywhere else. Can you elaborate a bit on where this comes from?

 

[COOPERVANE]

ATL CP office is saying that the company has received an interpretation from the feds on reserve assignments, and that scheduling will be able to assign another trip after block in soon.

Also, they will be able to ask you to stand by for that awesome hour after completion of your assignment for possible further assignment.

Until I see something in writing, I am not changing a thing. Hope he is wrong.