Netjets VSP?

[superfly]

Any predictions?

I say 100-125.

I hope I'm wrong....

 

[shanes123]

Maybe their just clearing out the old farts that should have left long ago. Plenty of those at Flexoptions

 

[CALRepublic]

Many of those greedy, selfish dying dinosaurs are not going anywhere.

1-If you're a G-V, Global and/or Challenger captain, you could make $220K without even working overtime

2- who are they going to tell their effing stories about flying the T-38s back in the 70s? Their wivea? Their wives don't wanna hear that s**t. So they come to work

3- aviation is their identity. You take this away from them, and they crumble

Just talked to a guy, he's 69 years old. He's gonna "wait for the Global 7000, get on line 76, work lots of overtime, and shoot for $300K his last years with the company"

 

[superfly]

I know of a late 70's pilot with nothing to do but this job, sad really.

Each situation is different, throw in multiple devorces, a furlough or two, and money is tight.

Tell your buddy that the Global 7000 is never comming here.


I'm going to make a hundred copies of that VSP email package and hand it out to any old looking Captains I encounter in crewlounges around the country. We need a ground game! Lets call this Nexit!

 

[CALRepublic]

For 85 - 90% of these guys, retirement comes when they can no longer pass checkrides

One guy failed a check ride twice, then passed. Then had lots of problems in IOE. It wasn't until his 4 rotation doing IOE that he finalized accepted the fact that it was time. He is 72

My buddy did his last week of IOE

 

[gutshotdraw]

1-If you're a G-V, Global and/or Challenger captain, you could make $220K without even working overtime

On what schedule? Slave ship 76? Indentured servant 72? Certainly not even close on the 7-7 unless you live in after-midnight central. Tall tales of massive hourly overtime only apply to the handful in the Bubba Club.

Meanwhile, back at the retirement ranch, the majority of those who take the out will be smart, still-capable people who realize this job isn't the be-all, end-all of their existence and either retire gracefully or use the money to soften the financial impact of a lateral move. The pilots who MOST need to take the offer and finally get OUT of the cockpit will be the least likely to take it.

It happened with the flight attendants and it will happen again with the pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

Never too old

Many of those greedy, selfish dying dinosaurs are not going anywhere.

1-If you're a G-V, Global and/or Challenger captain, you could make $220K without even working overtime

2- who are they going to tell their effing stories about flying the T-38s back in the 70s? Their wives Their wives don't wanna hear that s**t. So they come to work

3- aviation is their identity. You take this away from them, and they crumble

Just talked to a guy, he's 69 years old. He's gonna "wait for the Global 7000, get on line 76, work lots of overtime, and shoot for $300K his last years with the company"

right they should shoot everyone over 65, save tons in SSN payments, they could fly with me and get tales of flying the T-34B and the T-28 in the 60's

 

[tomgoodman]

...they could fly with me and get tales of flying the T-34B and the T-28 in the 60's

And in return, they could give you tales of reaching the ninth level of Dungeons & Dragons.

 

[el raton]

Oh oh! Looks like Netjets is trying to streamline things. Ricci is buying Netjets!

 

[superfly]

How many SIC's take deal?

There actually a number of FO's with military and or Airline pensions who may leave. Imagine if the final tally is a majority FO's with 9-11yrs seniority? Not the big cost savings they were hoping for.

Those who worried about a possible downgrade in three years will still be on the fence.

We shall see....

 

[pilotyip]

And in return, they could give you tales of reaching the ninth level of Dungeons & Dragons.

They don't even do that, they are too busy texting, sitting waiting for freight, the guy never stopped texting.

 

[rettofly]

They don't even do that, they are too busy texting, sitting waiting for freight, the guy never stopped texting.

I HATE texting. Do it all the time on CAP activities, but it's much more efficient in my opinion to just have a conversation than texting back and forth to get something resolved.

BTW, I hear there is a text version of D & D now. . I keed!

 

[imacdog]

Meanwhile, back at the retirement ranch, the majority of those who take the out will be smart, still-capable people who realize this job isn't the be-all, end-all of their existence and either retire gracefully or use the money to soften the financial impact of a lateral move. The pilots who MOST need to take the offer and finally get OUT of the cockpit will be the least likely to take it.

It happened with the flight attendants and it will happen again with the pilots.

Nailed it

 

[shanes123]

They don't even do that, they are too busy texting, sitting waiting for freight, the guy never stopped texting.

Their texting friends telling them what a incompetent old toole they have to fly with.

 

[T-1GUY]

What is the VSP?

 

[imacdog]

A one-year subscription to the jelly of the month club, more or less.

 

[pilotyip]

They don't even do that, they are too busy texting, sitting waiting for freight, the guy never stopped texting.

Their texting friends telling them what a incompetent old toole they have to fly with.

Gotta do it no one else wants to, it is fun, the money is nice and the role of the mentor for the young guys is fulfilling. So life is good And if things work out you to may be an old toole some day:laugh:

 

[gunfyter]

All my financial calculators and retirement calculators say I need to work till 72. If I don't die first.

That's in an average market. I am optimistic and think I can beat the market so I am shooting for 69.

 

[O-tay!]

Has mgt actually offered a VSP? If so, what are the details? Is it a program addressed in your CBA, or something contracted outside the CBA?
I thought NJ was expanding, based on recent acft orders/options. Are crew ratios, as defined in your CBA, triggering a possible downsizing of the ranks?

 

[T-1GUY]

Trying to trade out some of the senior gummers for new hires?

 

[AftCG182]

Trying to trade out some of the senior gummers for new hires?

At a much cheaper pay grade, of course

 

[shanes123]

Gotta do it no one else wants to, it is fun, the money is nice and the role of the mentor for the young guys is fulfilling. So life is good And if things work out you to may be an old toole some day:laugh:

Yeah your a real Role Model. Legend in your own mind

 

[pilotyip]

Yeah your a real Role Model. Legend in your own mind

yes of course; go enjoy. If things work out, you too will also grow old, but it is something a lot of people never get to do.

Nothing like jumping in the cockpit with another Navy guy who flew in Veitnam and blasting off on a new adventure. 102 years of flying experience since we took that first T-34B ride, hard to beat.

 

[doh]

Yip, walked out the hotel in downtown AMS this morning to a DC3 flying low and slow over Centraal Station. Wondered if you were doing a checkride for Fluxjet...:laugh: Couldn't resist referencing that other thread. Fly as long as you can pass the PC and 1st Class. Im going to do the same.

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, walked out the hotel in downtown AMS this morning to a DC3 flying low and slow over Centraal Station. Wondered if you were doing a checkride for Fluxjet...:laugh: Couldn't resist referencing that other thread. Fly as long as you can pass the PC and 1st Class. Im going to do the same.

Shhhh, keep this secret, I am doing the DC-3 checks for free to get the program up and running. I have been told they will take good care of me once I get the pilots qualified. Ken seems like a really nice guy, shock hands and everything.

 

[doh]

Shhhh, keep this secret, I am doing the DC-3 checks for free to get the program up and running. I have been told they will take good care of me once I get the pilots qualified. Ken seems like a really nice guy, shock hands and everything.

Bwaaaaahahahaha! You're cracking me up!

 

[Hogprint]

If only I was 10yrs older, I'd take the money and run, buy some goats and become a goat herd! You herd (wink, wink, pun intended) it here first boys! Goats are the next big thing. Get in on the ground floor and get your herd up and running!

Oh, BTW...I'm going to say less than 100 take the goat herd (VSP) option...

 

[rajflyboy]

Less than 50 total will take it

 

[realityman]

On what schedule? Slave ship 76? Indentured servant 72? Certainly not even close on the 7-7 unless you live in after-midnight central. Tall tales of massive hourly overtime only apply to the handful in the Bubba Club.

Meanwhile, back at the retirement ranch, the majority of those who take the out will be smart, still-capable people who realize this job isn't the be-all, end-all of their existence and either retire gracefully or use the money to soften the financial impact of a lateral move. The pilots who MOST need to take the offer and finally get OUT of the cockpit will be the least likely to take it.

It happened with the flight attendants and it will happen again with the pilots.

Ah, someone who is paying attention!

This is basically it. There are some who are senior (in age) who were planning on leaving soon anyway. This is a nice windfall for them, but it's not enough to entice anyone not already thinking about leaving to go.

I have nothing against the older set continuing to fly. I've found most to pretty competent. But that doesn't change the fact that there are, in fact, some who are losing "it" and really should hang it up, but don't for one reason or another.

And Gut is right about the O/T. I'm in the 650 fleet and I've been stuck on the CC72 schedule. I have some expenses coming I need covered, so I'm moving to the CC76 schedule for one period. Then I plan on heading to the CC52 schedule to regain my life. The thing that's really stood out on the CC schedules so far is that O/T is almost non-existent. Luckily, the base pay is really good, but the only ones getting any real O/T are the bubba club boys.

Not long ago, I flew with a company leg humper who was on the CC76 schedule. He volunteered for an extended day (no life at home I guess) and got it even though the plane was broken and we didn't even fly the next day. I volunteered to stay out an extra day a couple tours ago and was denied (my first volunteer since 2004).

Oh, well. I think a total of about 70 will take the VSP.

 

[shanes123]

Problem is there is a few older ones that are competent. A lot of older ones that aren't and think they are. But I'm guessing maybe they never where so they see no different in their skill set.