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Flexjet Takes Aim at Buffett's Netjets for International Fliers

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...at-buffett-s-netjets-for-international-fliers

Link includes a video interview with Ricci on Bloomberg

Flexjet, the private aircraft flight-share company sold by Bombardier Inc. in 2013, is seeking to break the lock Warren Buffett?s Netjets has on international private flights.


Having just gotten its first Gulfstream G450s, and with G650s -- the longest-flying business jet -- to be delivered next year, Flexjet is doubling the number of planes by 2016 that have range to fly to Europe to more than 40, said Chairman Kenneth Ricci.


This is all part of a plan of ours to really move Flexjet out of the domestic markets and into the international market, Ricci said. Right now, Netjets kind of has that space all to themselves.


The opportunity for fractional operators overseas is large, Ricci said. There are about 110 fractionally-owned aircraft abroad competing for at least 800,000 flight hours a year. That compares with about 700 aircraft chasing 1.2 million flight hours in the U.S., he said.


The U.S. has somewhat flattened out but the worldwide market is still just beginning, Ricci said in an interview with Bloomberg Television.
Netjets, a unit of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., is the largest fractional operator with about 700 aircraft in its fleet followed by Flexjet with 150. With fractional jets, customers buy a share in the plane that the companies control, maintain and provide pilots and other services for. That differs from jet charters in which individuals own aircraft and allow management companies to book flights on them.

Seeking Acquisitions

Flexjet may seek to acquire a European company to gain an operator's license and the knowledge of flying throughout so many countries, Ricci said.


We don't have to make a big acquisition, said Ricci, who is also a principal with Flexjet owner Directional Aviation, which also controls several aviation businesses from jet charters to aircraft engine management. We just need to get our toe in the water.


Directional had been in negotiations to buy a smaller fractional jet company in the U.S. two years ago, to increase its fleet, but that fell through, just after it bought Flexjet, he said. The negotiations stretched beyond the first-of-year peak season and Directional decided it was better to buy new jets instead, Ricci said.


That strategy makes more sense now as used jet prices recover and as plane manufacturers offer extended warranties, which can save as much as $800,000 per jet each year, Ricci said.


With the cost of money and the manufacturers support of the new aircraft, they have swung the pendulum and the value to us seems to be more on the new aircraft, he said. Today the compelling buy is in the new market.
 
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And the resounding reply from Nebraska was "Kenn who?"

Prediction: Flexjet loses more owners to Netjets due to their new association with the terrible brand Ricci created with his missteps at Flight Options than the other way around.

I'm not saying it's an accurate perception but it does exist. Those owners chose Flexjet mostly for reasons that Kenn Ricci doesn't understand and his nuoveau riche sentimentalities don't compute. Netjets will be the bespoke fallback. Once upon a time no one did bespoke better than Flexjet but alas no more.

If I didn't know better, by the way Ricci has handled his entire career, I'd say he's merely in the business of making Warren Buffet richer and bigger not aviation management.
 
These aren't just Gulfstream 450's, they are txi's. Interiors that are "bespoke" and will set Flex apart from the competition. The pilots will be easily identifiable by their new uniforms that are to be distributed by the end of the summer.
 
...Netjets, a unit of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., is the largest fractional operator with about 700 aircraft in its fleet followed by Flexjet with 150....

So Flexjet has 150 aircraft now?... Wow, I guess he has been growing it faster that I knew.
 
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I saw the G-450 at Teterboro at NBAA the other day. It does look quite nice (but so does probably every 2 day old jet). Out of curiosity, if I am a Flexjet G-450 owner and there is a maintenance issue or a fatigue call when I am in eastern Europe, or anywhere on the other side of the planet, who recovers as they have nothing even close to that side of the planet? Just wondering? They can probably handle the US decently, but what about other places.
 
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I saw the G-450 at Teterboro at NBAA the other day. It does look quite nice (but so does probably every 2 day old jet). Out of curiosity, if I a, a Flexjet G-450 owner and there is a maintenance issue or a fatigue call when I am in eastern Europe, or anywhere on the other side of the planet, who recovers as they have nothing even close to that side of the planet? Just wondering? They can probably handle the US decently, but what about other places.
Don't worry, there might be a mx issue but there won't be a fatigue call because they are personally screening all the pilots for entry in the G's to make sure they are their go to guys who will get the job done, no matter what.
 
I guess you would have to check your contract, but there is no shortage of Gulfstream and Global Express charter operators in Europe who will be more than happy to recover. It would cost Flex a small fortune, but do you really care?
 
If it were me I could buy charter on my own. And there is no guarantee that they pay top dollar for a good operator. Just wondering
 
Slowtation has it correct. You wil never get a fatigue call from the crews they picked. They would rather put your life in jeopardy or their license in jeopardy then make a fatigue call plus it cuts into their productivity bonus . And a mx issue is unlikely unless it's very severe you just fly it broke.....again that would cut into your bonus..these planes are gonna have a 99.9% dispatch ability rate
 
Long range program at flex= hiring out of senority ass kissers who fly tired , sick and airplanes in any mechanical condition to get a bonus .
 
Slowtation has it correct. You wil never get a fatigue call from the crews they picked. They would rather put your life in jeopardy or their license in jeopardy then make a fatigue call plus it cuts into their productivity bonus . And a mx issue is unlikely unless it's very severe you just fly it broke.....again that would cut into your bonus..these planes are gonna have a 99.9% dispatch ability rate

...and with all due respect to most owners who might be reading this, we have to spell it out for them:

What slowtation, shane, flex605 etc are saying and are 100% correct in pointing out, is that dedicated crew programs, especially those with a financially based incentive, are no safer than your "average" charter operator at best and at worst, an accident waiting to happen.

If you are rich and attracted to the idea of dedicated crew, you are far better off purchasing outright and controlling the variables yourself versus going with a known shell game expert like Kenn Ricci. It pains me to say that because I love my job and want my company to be successful. But I also care about the owners I fly and would hate to see them ripped off the way Red Label will do it...

The beauty of a fractional, even if you own 100% of the plane, is the availability and reliability of not just a fleet of aircraft but of a fleet of highly trained, professional, personable, adequately rested crews as well.

If safety is your number one concern backed up closely by reliability, a fractional with a seniority based crew system is your best best. And if negotiated correctly, won't cost you as an owner any more money than a new red label contract. These fractionals are making money hand over fist as it is. They can afford to pay for better than the crews are getting without raising prices.

Screw pilots speaking up. It's high time for owners to speak up and tell asshats like Kenn Ricci that well paid, well managed, well rested pilots are important to them. Remember as an owner the guy or gal up front has your life in their hands. As one of the guys on here correctly points out don't ever go cheap with your surgeon or your pilot. How true that is...

I'm tired of owners getting off easy claiming a blind eye to how we are treated. At least NJAOwner seems to get it. Now how do we tackle the other 99.9999999% of them?
 
...and with all due respect to most owners who might be reading this, we have to spell it out for them:

What slowtation, shane, flex605 etc are saying and are 100% correct in pointing out, is that dedicated crew programs, especially those with a financially based incentive, are no safer than your "average" charter operator at best and at worst, an accident waiting to happen.

If you are rich and attracted to the idea of dedicated crew, you are far better off purchasing outright and controlling the variables yourself versus going with a known shell game expert like Kenn Ricci. It pains me to say that because I love my job and want my company to be successful. But I also care about the owners I fly and would hate to see them ripped off the way Red Label will do it...

The beauty of a fractional, even if you own 100% of the plane, is the availability and reliability of not just a fleet of aircraft but of a fleet of highly trained, professional, personable, adequately rested crews as well.

If safety is your number one concern backed up closely by reliability, a fractional with a seniority based crew system is your best best. And if negotiated correctly, won't cost you as an owner any more money than a new red label contract. These fractionals are making money hand over fist as it is. They can afford to pay for better than the crews are getting without raising prices.

Screw pilots speaking up. It's high time for owners to speak up and tell asshats like Kenn Ricci that well paid, well managed, well rested pilots are important to them. Remember as an owner the guy or gal up front has your life in their hands. As one of the guys on here correctly points out don't ever go cheap with your surgeon or your pilot. How true that is...

I'm tired of owners getting off easy claiming a blind eye to how we are treated. At least NJAOwner seems to get it. Now how do we tackle the other 99.9999999% of them?

I left corporate because it was worse than Red Label. Talk about promoting ass kissers that are incompetent pilots....
 
Thank you for your comment. I have learned more than a tremendous amount being on this board. Not that I take most (or even much) of what is said as fact - it has educated me on what the service and what many of the issues are. Once I know what many of the issues are, I can continue my education, ask appropriate questions and conduct my own due diligence.
 
Thank you for your comment. I have learned more than a tremendous amount being on this board. Not that I take most (or even much) of what is said as fact - it has educated me on what the service and what many of the issues are. Once I know what many of the issues are, I can continue my education, ask appropriate questions and conduct my own due diligence.

I think Flex will have trouble recovering overseas mechanicals compared to NJA. We have too many planes everywhere. By the way, the safety cultures of Flex and NJA are much better than many corporate and charter outfits. I know this by personal experience. The FAA oversight is better, and the conversations in the cockpits, when we trade stories and experiences with many different colleagues, really enhance frac's safety.
 
Thank you for your comment. I have learned more than a tremendous amount being on this board. Not that I take most (or even much) of what is said as fact - it has educated me on what the service and what many of the issues are. Once I know what many of the issues are, I can continue my education, ask appropriate questions and conduct my own due diligence.

Excellent mindset. It's important to keep in mind everyone on this board flies for a fractional. Just about every person here thinks they fly for the safest operator in the safest segment of the industry and give the best service at the same time. If you talked to pilots at quality charter operators, of which there are many, they would have a very different opinion. I work for a private individual in a small corporate department. We follow all of IS-BAO's best practices and are supported by a very large EASA certificate holder. We fly much less and are always well rested. My boss is a very nervous flyer, and our jobs would be in jeopardy if we did push or carry squawks. There is no union here to protect subpar pilots, and our decisions are never second guessed by bean counters. Yet many on here would have you believe we are cowboys in the wild west that is Pt 91. There is good and bad everywhere. Remember Avantair? They were a fractional, and their pilots claimed their company was best in class right up until the FAA pulled their Certificate for egregious maintenance abuses.

Anyone who claims they are the safest or "best" should be suspect. Safety must be strived for every day with a humble attitude. There is a lot of chest thumping going on around here. That's all I'm saying.
 

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