Current JB upgrade times

[$$$4nothin]

New system bid just came out. 190 Captain went to 2yrs 11month and 320 Captain went to 3yrs 6 months on property.

 

[learflyer]

Is that the lowest its been in a while? That's pretty good.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Partly a function of horrible reserve "rules". Senior F/Os are bypassing to avoid Capt rsv.

 

[Baronman]

Is that the lowest its been in a while? That's pretty good.

Not sure as a function of %. Could be, but now it looks like we're past 3000 on the list.

 

[N311HK]

We need a CBA and work rules fast

 

[Baronman]

Commuting + RSV will never be a glorious lifestlye.

 

[JetProp]

I'm currently filling out the app, what are the resv rules like? How many days off on resv?

What's a realistic timeframe to hold MCO or FLL?
thx.

 

[Baronman]

I'm currently filling out the app, what are the resv rules like? How many days off on resv? thx.

Min off 12. Usually you'll end up with a few more 12-14 is pretty normal.

Scheduling assigns callout times and Long Call/Short call the day before your RSV day. An "Effort" is made to assign long call on first days.

Of course each person's experience varies but my time on RSV was pretty benign. It wasn't the get called and then work 10 different variations of your original trip that I was used to.

FLL is mid-sized and growing. Not very long to hold, most get it within a year. MCO is much smaller and more senior. I think right now it takes 2-2.5 years to get there.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

 

[JetProp]

Min off 12. Usually you'll end up with a few more 12-14 is pretty normal.

Scheduling assigns callout times and Long Call/Short call the day before your RSV day. An "Effort" is made to assign long call on first days.

Of course each person's experience varies but my time on RSV was pretty benign. It wasn't the get called and then work 10 different variations of your original trip that I was used to.

FLL is mid-sized and growing. Not very long to hold, most get it within a year. MCO is much smaller and more senior. I think right now it takes 2-2.5 years to get there.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Thanks for the info!

 

[145 Lawndart]

Just for reference. I've been here a little over 8 years and will hold a regular (no vacation credit)320 CA line for the first time next month and I still have around 200 or so fo's still senior to me system wide.

 

[B6Driver]

Folks are holding back from upgrading to spend more quality time with family, run a family business, etc.

 

[B190Captain]

Just for reference. I've been here a little over 8 years and will hold a regular (no vacation credit)320 CA line for the first time next month and I still have around 200 or so fo's still senior to me system wide.

In JFK? What is your seniority range?

 

[Baronman]

Folks are holding back from upgrading to spend more quality time with family, run a family business, etc.

There are as many reasons as there are pilots. Some don't want RSV....Some who live in base love RSV. Some only came to JB so they could be based in FLL/MCO/LGB and they won't trade that for anything. Some don't want to be on the 190...In the end we're all big boys and girls and can make informed decisions.

 

[B6Driver]

So far, all the doom and gloom predictions have not panned out and upgrades are still coming relatively quick.
Sooner or later it does have to slow down though.

 

[Flyby1206]

Is that the lowest its been in a while? That's pretty good.

Yes, last bid I believe the seniority percentages were around 67% for A320 and 72% for E190. Today it was 72% for A320 and 76% for E190.

The junior CA positions are in JFK. Not many people bid for those since JFK has the largest % of commuters (upwards of 60% I believe).

 

[oldxfr8dog]

I was on reserve for about 4.5 years. I never got more than12 off and they sure as heck didn't put much effort into LCR my first days on. If you live in base rsv could be pretty good. Unfortunately, I don't. My choice to commute, but I have had 13 bases in my career. Not dragging my family around like that.

 

[B6Driver]

Honestly, in 4 1/2 years you never got an extra day thrown into your time off?
I want to play poker with you because the only luck you got is bad, all bad.
:beer:
Just kidding......

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Honestly, in 4 1/2 years you never got an extra day thrown into your time off?
I want to play poker with you because the only luck you got is bad, all bad.
:beer:
Just kidding......

Oh, I'm sure I did. I just can't remember many!

Not counting self-release, of course...
:beer:

 

[B6Driver]

Proceed until apprehended. That is my motto.

 

[145 Lawndart]

In JFK? What is your seniority range?

JFK, between 1400-1450

 

[JetFumes]

For what it's worth, two captains downgraded back to FO. This is not unusual. What does that tell you?

 

[B6Driver]

It tells you they chose to be senior F/O's again, what's your point? This is a job and not a flying club.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

It tells you they chose to be senior F/O's again, what's your point? This is a job and not a flying club.

His point is our reserve system and low lines suck! If it was better the upgrade time would sky rocket.

 

[Baronman]

His point is our reserve system and low lines suck! If it was better the upgrade time would sky rocket.

Cause all 320 FOs in LGB and FLL are dying to spend their next 2 summers in Kew Gardens....

As long as there are red-eyes RSVs will get them...

Some folks like their base and driving in trumps a pay bump...

 

[JetFumes]

His point is our reserve system and low lines suck! If it was better the upgrade time would sky rocket.

We have a winner!

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Cause all 320 FOs in LGB and FLL are dying to spend their next 2 summers in Kew Gardens....



As long as there are red-eyes RSVs will get them...



Some folks like their base and driving in trumps a pay bump...

Yep that too. My personal example. Living in base as an FO getting 14-16 off.

Why give that up to commute to 12 off, never knowing my reserve window until the day before.

If we had deltas rsv(only 6 scr a month) or SWA 15 off(with set windows) or even spirits with a min 4 day off block after every rsv stint I wouldnt have passed it up and I know several 100 more in the same boat.

Our upgrade time will double for a few years if we get better QOL for rsv's and better quality trips via rigs and protections in our first contract.

 

[B6Driver]

The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?

 

[145 Lawndart]

The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?

Wow! You simply refuse to see how bad it is here compared to our peers. Because you live in base the problems with reserve are not apparent to you and you refuse to see how bad the schedules are now for those junior to you.

I'm just north of 50% on the seniority list and I would be willing to bet nobody with my relative seniority at any of the top 6 or 7 carriers would be willing to trade with me.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?

The contract comparison was great and all but it was a very broad overview. 96 pages to compare 7-8 contracts that all have scheduling sections longer than that. The devil is in the details. Go read the other contracts rev rules and get back to us. How many SCR days? When are RSV windows known by? Hard line vacation, training and conflict touching? What types of trips will they be flying on rsv? Average hours flown per month for a rsv?

You know exactly what I mean when I say low lines. The bottom 1/3 line holders schedules are filled with red eyes(30% of our flying). 12-14 days off is normal in the bottom 1/3 due to trip and line construction.

There are reasons our upgrades dropped to 70% and 75% seniority, while other airline are around 60%. So yes, if these things are fixed our upgrade time will jump dramatically.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

The SWA reserve sys.is the exception, not the norm. Our reserve sys is pretty standard as per the PDF ALPA recently put out to educate the masses. What are low lines you mentioned in your ramble above?

Not completely true, how about LCR rules at UAL, DAL and AA? Do they typically pull 18 days sitting in base?