Endeavor

[flyboyike]

To whom is Delta obliged?

To me, of course, for nearly seven years of selfless Delta Connection flying with two airlines, but I've already told them they're welcome, so it's all good.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

To me, of course, for nearly seven years of selfless Delta Connection flying with two airlines, but I've already told them they're welcome, so it's all good.

Well, obviously they were obliged to operate an airline for you. :beer:

I was thinking about the legal tentacles, was it part of the bankruptcy ruling? Otherwise, what's the deal? "Delta can't wind us down! We'll sue the crap out of ourselves!"

 

[flyboyike]

I was thinking about the legal tentacles, was it part of the bankruptcy ruling? Otherwise, what's the deal? "Delta can't wind us down! We'll sue the crap out of ourselves!"

Yeah, probably something like that. Kinda similar to the sentiment some of the more seasoned citizens at a certain CVG-based regional I once used to fly for would express to the effect "Delta can't shut us down, we provide an INVALUABLE service to Delta". I used to reply "I'm not even sure Delta provides an INVALUABLE service to Delta anymore, but alas..." Made me very unpopular in some circles...

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Whelp, sometimes being right sucks - but not nearly as hard as being wrong.

 

[xjhawk]

Delta is obligated to operate Endeavor with 81 airplanes until 2020.

Thats what the Bridge Agreement states but as we all know when dealing with corporate america (and look at how all our other deals were written), that we may think we have a deal until 2020, but there is most likely a back door for Delta to use if we don't suit their needs.

The Legacy 9E pilots all said they had their precious CRJ 200 agreement locked up for ten years, but........

We were told 12 pilots a month are obligated to go to Delta according to the language of our SSP......wait, even our ALPA attorneys agree that Delta can withhold our pilots and send them later......

All I am saying is expectations of a contract...... lets just say the corporate attorneys are on a higher level than those of our ALPA ones.

 

[flyboyike]

Whelp, sometimes being right sucks - but not nearly as hard as being wrong.

Actually, what sucks the most is being right about things you'd much rather be wrong about, something that happens to me a lot...

 

[A-10_JetMech]

Question for Higney85: Any word on the status of mx rescuing some of the 200's from the sand box? You previously mentioned this. 4 more 200's were just sent this past week. Down to 47 left on ops spec. Maybe they will bring back the newer planes that were sent way earlier. Or maybe they are just blowing smoke. From what we hear the attrition to new hires is a wash. Sounds like enough to keep 900's staffed. Maybe the 200's can stay staffed at least til the end of 2015. Or they are hoping this retention bonus can position the company for the options of 30 more 900's.

 

[higney85]

Question for Higney85: Any word on the status of mx rescuing some of the 200's from the sand box? You previously mentioned this. 4 more 200's were just sent this past week. Down to 47 left on ops spec. Maybe they will bring back the newer planes that were sent way earlier. Or maybe they are just blowing smoke. From what we hear the attrition to new hires is a wash. Sounds like enough to keep 900's staffed. Maybe the 200's can stay staffed at least til the end of 2015. Or they are hoping this retention bonus can position the company for the options of 30 more 900's.

Latest is going down to 16 -200 lines of flying and then back up to 20-24 once the training pipeline gets going and the SSP commitment gets caught up. Subject to change of course. The current plan IS to keep -200's now, which is a positive change, but I doubt anything will be publicly stated until the training pipeline shows the signs of remaining constant.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

If we are going to only keep 16 lines, which crew base gets the ax, DTW or MSP?

 

[higney85]

If we are going to only keep 16 lines, which crew base gets the ax, DTW or MSP?

TBD.

10char.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Does Delta still tell guys in training and meet and greets that "if you don't like it, leave!"

 

[RJLoser]

What is the hire date of the junior legacy 9E CA?

 

[xjhawk]

down to 16? How is hiring going? They are only sending what, 4-5 a month to Delta under the SSP when they should be sending 12 and they are barely even on attrition. What happens when they need to send 100 in the last two months of the year?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

down to 16? How is hiring going? They are only sending what, 4-5 a month to Delta under the SSP when they should be sending 12 and they are barely even on attrition. What happens when they need to send 100 in the last two months of the year?

Will they "need to send 100" if they shut them down?:bomb:

 

[xjhawk]

Thats a valid point. They are increasing our benefits almost on a bi-monthly rate lately. From better non-rev status (which took longer than necessary and pissed off a lot of people at the disrespect), to better hotels than Pinnacle offered (as we all know we are on the road quite a bit and better hotels is a huge issue-once again we see our ALPA brother and sisters at our parent company getting on dedicated limos to nice hotels in areas that are not always next to the airport which end up being in a bad part of town for a city while we wait 1/2 hour for a ride), Then came the retention bonus, then the increased retention bonus and now they are increasing the performance goal bonus.)

I am unsure of the long term success of this company, but I can hope because if I or any of the other good people here get stuck working here, it would be nice to have a company as good as Mesaba with a base in my home town to fly my last 15 years at. Given our career progression to Delta being a wholly owned is not any better than those non-wholly owned with the same interview deal they have with Delta it seems we are thought of as red headed step children. But more so, I fear there is not enough new pilots out there wanting to come to this company. I really think Delta thought that all the "second tier" (sub-Delta standard) would flock to Endeavor for less pay and mediocre work rules (we have cancelation pay) and a chance at a Delta interview. For those of us who once had a flow to Delta (NWA), it has left a bitter taste in our mouth.

 

[xjhawk]

By the way, the Endeavor to Delta program was a huge failure given that it showed the lack of interest in coming to a company with the bar set too high to allow those with interest to actually come to the company. Even lowering the bar by not doing the Delta interview process, they can't attract enough pilots to replace the loss of pilots just going to Delta. Now imagine if pilots flocked to United, American, SW, Alaska....... The carrot Delta gives to Endeavor has to be huge. I am not talking a flow-many of us had one of those, the integrity of the union and the company is not to be trusted to follow through on such a deal as a flow. It has to be a lot better than a flow. Many would even agree to a "B" scale with a seniority number with eventual bidding rights to mainline-and a guarantee if Endeavor shuts down, we would be protected with said seniority number.

 

[Flyer1015]

3-4 years for a new hire today. That of course depends on hiring and any other type of global unrest.

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[SpauldingSmails]

The carrot Delta gives to Endeavor has to be huge.

Yep. Wanna bet where they're going to put that carrot?

 

[Flyer1015]

Endeavor FOs are being a little unreal. So Jan SSP is available for all FOs and by Feb the first interviews go out and by March they've gone through the entire list of FOs who applied? Talk about lazy. If they aren't ready for a Delta interview now (or any airline interview) then what are they waiting for? What have these FOs been doing for the past 7 years?

Unless one is older and planning on retiring, it's a little hard to sympathize with someone who just sits there and does nothing - instead of trying to make something happen. A once in a lifetime opportunity of a FO SSP drops in their lap and people aren't ready. The most vocal of the unfairness of the SSP for CA's only whined and b****ed, now say it's unfair that their opportunity happened too fast. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[xjhawk]

Endeavor FOs are being a little unreal. So Jan SSP is available for all FOs and by Feb the first interviews go out and by March they've gone through the entire list of FOs who applied? Talk about lazy. If they aren't ready for a Delta interview now (or any airline interview) then what are they waiting for? What have these FOs been doing for the past 7 years?

Unless one is older and planning on retiring, it's a little hard to sympathize with someone who just sits there and does nothing - instead of trying to make something happen. A once in a lifetime opportunity of a FO SSP drops in their lap and people aren't ready. The most vocal of the unfairness of the SSP for CA's only whined and b****ed, now say it's unfair that their opportunity happened too fast. You can't make this stuff up.

Just when I think you might have gained some maturity you go ahead prove you wrong. The Delta interview is something that needs to be prepared for and let me ask you this, mr genius. If told you could have one tomorrow, would you be prepared for a ATP like exam that actually is full of 1960's era aviation questions? You expect someone to be constantly preparing for a test like that for years on the off chance one will be given to you? You sir have remained as clueless as you have always been and though you may say you test well, you are a clueless idiot on life.