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rabbit

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Hey All!

I was wondering if I could get some of your input for a human factors project I'm working on....

Specifically, I'm interested in the way today's airline pilots approach their initial, recurrent and upgrade check rides. If interested, I'd appreciate your insights into the following questions:

  1. How much preparation time (in hours) do you put into your recurrent checks?
  2. If you feel anxiety or fear before your checks, how would you rate this on a scale from 1-10 with 10 being the worst?
  3. Do you feel that your self-study has left you well prepared for your check? (yes/no)
  4. Do you fear failing your check rides? (yes/no)
Feel free to answer any/all questions that speak to you. If you would rather PM me than reply directly to this thread, that is fine as well. All information is strictly confidential. If you could include a ball park of your experience (TT/type/major/regional) it would also be very helpful.


Many thanks for all the help! My project is only as good as the information I receive, so please help out if you have a few minutes to spare.


All the best,


rabbit
 
1-5
2-2
3-yes
4-no

Know everything and don't f^ck up
Still applies
Admittedly, check ride preps get less time consuming after 8+ years in the same type
 
Hi waveflyer,

Many thanks for your response...your time and input is much appreciated and greatly helps our research.

Come on guys.....can you please help me out with some more responses? The quality of research is only as good as real information.

We all know that checkrides are stressful...your input could go a long way to developing new models of checking!

PM if you want to be anonymous.

Many thanks in advance!

rabbit
 
AQP=impossible to "fail" without "failing" so many times in so spectacular a fashion that you actually get fired. I am not sure if an "unsat" even goes in your training file(depends on how your AQP program is worded as I understand it). Unsat, again as I understand it, is as close to a "failure" as you can get under AQP. Other options are ATR(additional training required) and Incomplete(didnt complete the maneuver or event because of something out of anybodies control i.e. the sim broke).

A true "checkride" or "proficiency check" in the airline world is become more and more rare as everybody transitions to AQP for all aspects of pilot training.
 
AQP=impossible to "fail" without "failing" so many times in so spectacular a fashion that you actually get fired. I am not sure if an "unsat" even goes in your training file(depends on how your AQP program is worded as I understand it). Unsat, again as I understand it, is as close to a "failure" as you can get under AQP. Other options are ATR(additional training required) and Incomplete(didnt complete the maneuver or event because of something out of anybodies control i.e. the sim broke).

A true "checkride" or "proficiency check" in the airline world is become more and more rare as everybody transitions to AQP for all aspects of pilot training.

AQP at my airline has all of those failures you said don't exist. UNSAT absolutely goes in your training file which all future airlines see. Scores of all tests and every single training evolution is on there. Also you can absolutely be disqualified from line flying through AQP checkrides. The firing process is subject to the union CBA as far as retraining, but don't think AQP gives anyone a pass or prevents true failures.
 
Thanks to all who have responded thus far.

Keep the responses coming!

I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has ever taken a recurrent, initial or upgrade check.

How do you feel walking in to the sim?

As for myself, I was always pretty anxious, even though I was usually very well prepared...the nerves were always there.

Thanks again and please keep the replies coming.

Best,

rabbit
 
1-5
2-2
3-yes
4-no

Know everything and don't f^ck up
Still applies
Admittedly, check ride preps get less time consuming after 8+ years in the same type

Wait until you're 30 years in type......zzzzzzz



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
1- About 8-12 hours.
2- 4
3- Yes
4- No

There's only two variables beyond my control that I sweat for training - A rogue evaluator, and the dumpster fire sim partner. Luckily, neither has ever pulled me down - but a hot mess sim partner sure can make for an awkward day, lemme tell ya.
 
1. Lot's when crossing the Atlantic but that's light study, 3-4 hard studying

2. 1 (AQP/CQT or whatever they call it)

3. Yes

4. No

At my airline you have the scenarios and emergencies (abnormals) ahead of time and the 757 flies single engine as well as some Airbus fly with two engines.

No surprises.
 
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