Allegiant votes in IBT

[Huskers1]

It's official. Allegiant is now part of IBT Local 1224.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Ha! Go get 'em boys! :bomb:

 

[Dix-Bag]

August 23rd 2012. A damn good day to be an Allegiant Pilot.

Finally a workable solution.

Here here!

 

[StarChecker]

And another pilot group surrenders their glorious Direct Relationship in favor of Third Party representation.

Dummies....

 

[HalinTexas]

5 years before you see a pay raise or any improvement in working conditions. Minimum.

 

[jetflier]

5 years before you see a pay raise or any improvement in working conditions. Minimum.

You have to take baby steps before you can walk. The message has been sent.

 

[temcgrew]

Baby steps backward maybe. It better go smooth or there will be a big storm to decertify. Don't think it can't happen, the teamsters have a great track record of being booted out.

 

[boomlrd]

Your pay without a union was higher than Spirit with a union and a strike, why in the world would you want to vote in a union knowing that? Enjoy your current benefits for the next 6-8 years with no increase in pay or benefits, oh and the Teamsters charge more than ALPA for dues, so in essence you will have an immediate pay cut.

 

[crxpilot]

Baby steps backward maybe. It better go smooth or there will be a big storm to decertify. Don't think it can't happen, the teamsters have a great track record of being booted out.

With a 56-44 split, I see this as a real possibility a year from now.

 

[Ameriagle]

Your pay without a union was higher than Spirit with a union and a strike, why in the world would you want to vote in a union knowing that? Enjoy your current benefits for the next 6-8 years with no increase in pay or benefits, oh and the Teamsters charge more than ALPA for dues, so in essence you will have an immediate pay cut.

Actually the total compensation package at G4 is NOT better than Spirit. Hourly rates do not tell the whole story. IMO, if G4 pilots had an agreement with work rules anywhere near what Spirit currently enjoys (industry average at best) a union drive wouldn't have even made it to a vote!

 

[crxpilot]

IBT already censoring the masses',,,,,,,,ie. aapag board

 

[nordo_2]

Your pay without a union was higher than Spirit with a union and a strike, why in the world would you want to vote in a union knowing that? Enjoy your current benefits for the next 6-8 years with no increase in pay or benefits, oh and the Teamsters charge more than ALPA for dues, so in essence you will have an immediate pay cut.

Is this immediate? When do the actual dues begin to be paid? Is there a grace period involved? Or do the dues start right away?

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Actually we just got an email that stated...

"We have just learned that incoming Allegiant members will not pay dues until after our first collective bargaining agreement is ratified"

So no dues until our first CBA.

 

[nordo_2]

Actually we just got an email that stated...

"We have just learned that incoming Allegiant members will not pay dues until after our first collective bargaining agreement is ratified"

So no dues until our first CBA.

Not a bad deal Vegas. That’s weird of IBT. It could be years before a CBA is ratified. Those greedy S.O.B.s . Yet you get legal representation for things like; “calling in sick too much?”

 

[pilotyip]

Zantop voted in the IBT by one vote, a year later they were out of business. However the IBT made sure they took dues out of my final paycheck.

 

[Dizel8]

Zantop went out of business for many reasons.

The Pilots having a union had nothing to do with it!

 

[pilotyip]

Zantop went out of business for many reasons.

The Pilots having a union had nothing to do with it!

Yes but a union could do nothing to keep it in business, and is it more than coincedental that Jimmy announced the shut down two months in advance to be the day before the first raise?

 

[GuinessGuy]

I was a teamster at one time.....what a joke of an organization when it came to representing a "professional" work group.....maybe they we're a better fit for Hostess Bakery truck drivers and the like, but they were totally unimpressive.
Very surprised that they won't collect dues until after a CBA....
But teamster style is "due to unforeseen expense in negotiating your agreement with company xyz, we must assess xthousand dollars from each of you."
Yes, you didn't pay dues, but you paid....
Good luck, and congrats on coming together, but my experience with teamsters is , they were dishonest as hell, and a former present of local 747 was caught embezzling, or taking bribes or something like that. Google it.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Loved getting the magazine with tomato-pickers on the cover when I was a "Teamster."

ALPA is a far better organization for representing pilots.

 

[crxpilot]

Well the IBT yahoos cant stand the heat of their "victory" and have shut down the allegiant pilots message board in an effort to silence the minority. Very cowardly if you ask me.

 

[Ameriagle]

Well the IBT yahoos cant stand the heat of their "victory" and have shut down the allegiant pilots message board in an effort to silence the minority. Very cowardly if you ask me.

In case we all missed your last post?

 

[Mr Wu]

Well the IBT yahoos cant stand the heat of their "victory" and have shut down the allegiant pilots message board in an effort to silence the minority. Very cowardly if you ask me.

The same board you were booted off a year ago for not paying dues? Don't worry, it'll be back up before you go to Hawaii.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Historically a "teamster" spend most of his day looking at horses' asses.....so much in fact they became just that....leave Teamsters for the truckers...where they can have a national union...pilots belong in an aviation union, far from perfect albeit..

 

[PCL_128]

Yes but a union could do nothing to keep it in business

I'm not sure where you got the idea that a union is supposed to be responsible for keeping a company in business. You need to direct that criticism where it belongs: at management.

Your expectations were out of whack.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA is a far better organization for representing pilots.

Yep. But they came to ALPA, and ALPA turned them away. Seriously.

 

[labbats]

Yep. But they came to ALPA, and ALPA turned them away. Seriously.

That's the short version of course.

We had a drive that went to the road shows two years ago with ALPA and it was stopped when we got our pay raise. With that in mind and the fact that ALPA is overwhelmed right now we were told they were unavailable for this drive.

 

[temcgrew]

Yep. But they came to ALPA, and ALPA turned them away. Seriously.

That is the dumbest statement of the day. You receive no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[pilotyip]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that a union is supposed to be responsible for keeping a company in business. You need to direct that criticism where it belongs: at management.

Your expectations were out of whack.

Unions limit a company's flexibility to meet market forces due to restrictive work rules like the old joke about changing a light blub at a UAW factory

Old union joke at GM, how many union members did it take to change light bulb? Five, 1 electrician to turn off the power, 1 equipment resource person to get the light bulb, 1 equip set up specialist to erect the ladder, 1 ladder climbing rigger to climb the ladder and install the light bulb, and 1 Hazardous Waste disposal technician to dispose of the old light bulb. How many at a Toyota plant? The guy who saw it burned out. It was the 76 worker classifications that the union demanded that added to the demise by increasing over head cost compared to the non-union competition. BTW I really don’t care what anyone does, but they should be exposed to both sides

 

[PCL_128]

And none of your above complaints have anything to do with Zantop going out of business, so your original point is still worthless.

As far as work classifications, they are labor's answer to management continually trying to "increase efficiency" by cutting jobs and increasing the amount of work that individual employees are required to do for the same compensation. Management gets the unions and the contracts that they deserve.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Unions limit a company's flexibility to meet market forces due to restrictive work rules like the old joke about changing a light blub at a UAW factory

Old union joke at GM, how many union members did it take to change light bulb? Five, 1 electrician to turn off the power, 1 equipment resource person to get the light bulb, 1 equip set up specialist to erect the ladder, 1 ladder climbing rigger to climb the ladder and install the light bulb, and 1 Hazardous Waste disposal technician to dispose of the old light bulb. How many at a Toyota plant? The guy who saw it burned out. It was the 76 worker classifications that the union demanded that added to the demise by increasing over head cost compared to the non-union competition. BTW I really don’t care what anyone does, but they should be exposed to both sides

How is unionization affecting the bottom line at SWA, FedEx and UPS?