No deal for ual

[tie1on]

The management team of UAL has decided the pilots are not worthy of a pay raise rot industry standards. I guess the highest p[aid management team is all about themselves.

 

[mamba20]

Jeffrey's having fun and being cool. Wheres the problem? Such complete BS!

 

[Full of LUV]

Jeffrey's having fun and being cool. Wheres the problem? Such complete BS!

Saw his little CNBC? sit down interview where he stated "he's having the time of his life running United" while insinuating that Delta has made a huge mistake by buying a refinery. He surely wasn't worried about any labor problems at UCH.

 

[dalav8tor]

Heard the breakdown was over scope issues.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

and pay. FUPM!

 

[tie1on]

a joke of a signing bonus, scope, retirement were the main topics. thats right money

 

[SplitBar]

Saw his little CNBC? sit down interview where he stated "he's having the time of his life running United" while insinuating that Delta has made a huge mistake by buying a refinery. He surely wasn't worried about any labor problems at UCH.

Could you please post the link for the interview. I googled for it and searched on CNBC's webiste but couldn't find it.

Thanks!

 

[Andy]

Could you please post the link for the interview. I googled for it and searched on CNBC's webiste but couldn't find it.

Thanks!

CNN ... CNBC ....220, 221, whatever it takes ...

http://www.ceo.com/media_type/videos/united-ceo-wont-buy-a-refinery/

 

[SplitBar]

CNN ... CNBC ....220, 221, whatever it takes ...

http://www.ceo.com/media_type/videos/united-ceo-wont-buy-a-refinery/

Thanks!! Love those Mr Mom quotes!

 

[bluefin]

The way this company is being run, there's no worry for a contract, cause there will be no jobs due to outsourcing and chasing off passengers!!!

 

[fam62c]

These guys are not in the business of handing money out to employees and the way the NMB functions now means they have no incentive to do so There is zero risk of there ever being a strike at a carrier the size of UAL, the NMB won't allow it and the management team knows it. The UAL pilots will get a deal when they agree to take what management is willing to give them. That's the way it is, unions don't have any leverage anymore.

This isn't just UAL, it will be all the big airlines in future section 6 talks, the strike threat has been removed. The solution may be to create a non-profit, independent union with no assets and no officers run offshore with outside employees. Do a wildcat strike and there would be nobody to sue, let the government and the company scream but the airline would have to either come to an agreement or fold. For this to work the there would have to be a pilot shortage and you would need total solidarity, very tough to do. The NMB has stolen our leverage, we must find a way to get it back. There is too much government interference in the relationship between the airlines and their employee groups, this is private industry and the government should stay out of it. The government is controlling what should be a free market between labor and industry.

 

[waveflyer]

True fam, we've disenfranchised ourselves. Dems don't support us bc we aggressively do not support them. And republicans don't support us bc we ideologically represent what they despise: the highly paid union worker.
Either vote Dem, or convince republicans to support us- or the slide will always continue-
But don't let the delta contract fool you. I didn't like the scope issues long term, but it was a gain in the short, and delta knew it didn't have the NMB we had under Bush - we have a bit more leverage under Obama than your post claims-

 

[Roomwithaview]

wave

True fam, we've disenfranchised ourselves. Dems don't support us bc we aggressively do not support them. And republicans don't support us bc we ideologically represent what they despise: the highly paid union worker.
Either vote Dem, or convince republicans to support us- or the slide will always continue-
But don't let the delta contract fool you. I didn't like the scope issues long term, but it was a gain in the short, and delta knew it didn't have the NMB we had under Bush - we have a bit more leverage under Obama than your post claims-

Support either side. It's a guarantee that neither one will be there for us when we need them.

 

[waveflyer]

Nope. The truth is as I've explained. From those who know. (got to speak with Maria Cantwell for a few minutes doing business up in washington) Think what you will. It's why I started a business even though "airline pilot" tends to suit me fine. Pilots don't support their career politically, and to have success in this, you simply must. If you cannot support dems, then at least get in the game, take two minutes to google who Mr. John L Mica, and Mr Tom Petri are and write them to ask for support. Then do the same with your congressman. Republicans will back certain unions even if they won't publicly- As solidly as we tend to support republicans, its not out of the framework to get some support back. But we vote blindly. do work for them and earn their support- do not simply vote for people who do not support you. And god forbid, write Obama and ask for his support. If you plan on voting for Romney, call his camp and ask if he can support ALpA and CAPA.

Or vote to decertify. Just get on the same page and don't resign politically as we have.

 

[SIG600]

Wave makes good points.

Or you could vote Libertarian, and get gov't out of every aspect of your life & work the way it was intended. The US Gov't is the best money can buy.