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The Flexjet guys have been real quiet lately - wonder if there is something going on at the Waterview?
 
I guess we are living in reality now. Reality being no growth, no upgrades, no pay increases and what have you. No point in crying about it I suppose.
 
He didn't say anything about no attrition.
 
Latest and greatest. Barring any retirements, over 30 pilots will be 65 or older this year, so some attrition could well happen. They haven't said much about recalls except "not right now". I'm not sure about the jacket thing, but I do know calling a building in the Metroplex "Water"view just ain't right! :laugh:
 
Doyle, unfortunately true...
 
Those old bastards need to bow out..I can't think of one pilot over 65 who hasn't scared the sh#t out of me. The training is obviously to easy..we need to step up the difficulty level to get rid of these retards.
 
Helmsalee said:
Be careful what you wish for, fugazy.
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Do you feel like the training is challenging or relatively easy? I'm not saying I will never fail a checkride..but, it will be because of a mistake (learning) and, not because of incompetence. I have flown with a lot of guys that have no business flying a c-152 let alone a Jet powered aircraft. These guys aren't going to the school house with the attitude of "I'm going to learn something" rather, please God let me keep my job for another 6 months. I'm sick of carring you guys that don't know your foot from your nose. Someday, I will be old and, will obviously lose some of my (average at best) flying ability. I will then pull the plug and, retire gracefully.
 
Training doesn't need to change. These guys fly the airplane just fine, for the most part. It's the other part of the job. I'm sick of getting stuck with everything non flying! If you can't do the whole job, get out.
 
doh said:
Training doesn't need to change. These guys fly the airplane just fine, for the most part. It's the other part of the job. I'm sick of getting stuck with everything non flying! If you can't do the whole job, get out.[/QUOT
Oh, I hate that part as well! I cringe every time I'm paired with one of these geriatrics!
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"I'm sick of carring you guys"

fugazi, that says a lot. Besides being insulting, you can't even use a spellchecker.

In a previous life, I was a sim instructor and check airman. Later, I was a line check airman. My experience was that a lot more young guys had training problems than older guys. I found that experience trumped reaction time in most situations. This is probably not true for a fighter pilot, but, for us, it usually works better to think first instead of leaping into action.

And, DOH, there are some overweight and/or lazy younger guys out there also.

Sorry to rant, but sometimes you guys just piss me off.

Helm
 
Okay, I've flown with 4 over 65. One of them is actually a pleasure to fly with. But the other three...not so much. Warlord, when the guy is standing in the front of the plane, hands on hips, saying "hurry up, I wanna go to the hotel!" that's supposed to be okay? I lack class!?!
 
We all know who they are and they DO need to go and yes, some of them are a safety concern and if I fly with them, I will say something to someone. There are a few under that age that need to go "lightning" fast too
 
Mr. doh, my apology. After re-reading the rant against old people, I notice the infamous Mr. fugazi really taking it to a nastier level
...perhaps he had a bad day that day...maybe even having to fly with one of those old farts. Anyways, I think(being somewhat elderly myself) that one should not make general statements as were posted. Is flying with a 63 or 64 year old OK, but not a 65 year old? I know several
younger captains at Flex who won't lift a finger to help out other than their narrowly prescribed responsabilities..you know who I'm talking about...are they OK 'cause they haven't reached 60 yet? If anyone is acting senile or just plain dangerous, it is your solemn duty to report that to an ACP in an open and factual manner. Finally, any pilot who has hit 65 and not looking to retire pretty soon is someone who needs to re-evaluate his thinking....there are a lot more pleasant things to do at that age than push tin(IMHO).
Regards,
WL
 
There are guys who were dicks when they were 25...and they are dicks when they are 65.

There are good guys when they were 25...and they are good guys when they there are 65.

Age doesn't have a thing to do with it...it is what your mom taught you when you were growing up...and how much attention you paid her
 
Helmsalee said:
"I'm sick of carring you guys"

fugazi, that says a lot. Besides being insulting, you can't even use a spellchecker.

In a previous life, I was a sim instructor and check airman. Later, I was a line check airman. My experience was that a lot more young guys had training problems than older guys. I found that experience trumped reaction time in most situations. This is probably not true for a fighter pilot, but, for us, it usually works better to think first instead of leaping into action.

And, DOH, there are some overweight and/or lazy younger guys out there also.

Sorry to rant, but sometimes you guys just piss me off.

Helm
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The old guys I fly with do everything, and do them well.
 
gret said:
There are guys who were dicks when they were 25...and they are dicks when they are 65.

There are good guys when they were 25...and they are good guys when they there are 65.

Age doesn't have a thing to do with it...it is what your mom taught you when you were growing up...and how much attention you paid her
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Truer words were never typed.
 
warlord19 said:
Mr. doh, my apology. After re-reading the rant against old people, I notice the infamous Mr. fugazi really taking it to a nastier level
...perhaps he had a bad day that day...maybe even having to fly with one of those old farts. Anyways, I think(being somewhat elderly myself) that one should not make general statements as were posted. Is flying with a 63 or 64 year old OK, but not a 65 year old? I know several
younger captains at Flex who won't lift a finger to help out other than their narrowly prescribed responsabilities..you know who I'm talking about...are they OK 'cause they haven't reached 60 yet? If anyone is acting senile or just plain dangerous, it is your solemn duty to report that to an ACP in an open and factual manner. Finally, any pilot who has hit 65 and not looking to retire pretty soon is someone who needs to re-evaluate his thinking....there are a lot more pleasant things to do at that age than push tin(IMHO).
Regards,
WL
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Ya, I Guess it was a bit harsh..my appologies to those who were offended.
 
Hey Flexjet guys - have you replaced all of your older Lear 60s with the newer 60XRs?

Also, when are the new Lear 70 and 75 expected to arrive on the property? Next year?
 
It doesn't sound like any calls will be made this year. I think the whole thing is hinging on fleet replacements/additions (lear 85 driven that is). If the 85 becomes an "addition" to the fleet then that is good news. If it "replaces" another fleet, well, more of the same grind.
 

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