hey trannies

[yoyoma]

whats the feeling on the latest deal on your side? gonna pass? be close? fail? what up?

 

[humveedriver]

Pass. My guess is by 80 % or more. I'm not saying there will 80 % AT pilots who like the seniority list, which is where the heart of our dissatisfaction is. But the feeling is there is too much risk to say no. Better the SWA pilots take the hit, if there is a majority no vote from one of the pilot groups.

 

[SWA717]

Agreed, Nobody is crazy about the deal, but we are ready to ge this deal done and move on. It will pass big time.

 

[funnyman12]

Pass ...92%. Same reasons as above.

 

[yoyoma]

What are you guys hearing from alpa if you decide to vote no? SWAPA says we are dead in arbitration.

 

[Sacha]

Pass. My guess is by 80 % or more. I'm not saying there will 80 % AT pilots who like the seniority list, which is where the heart of our dissatisfaction is. But the feeling is there is too much risk to say no. Better the SWA pilots take the hit, if there is a majority no vote from one of the pilot groups.

So you gained a tiny bit of seniority.....

Wanna guess in dollars what your inability to vote on the first go round cost you......

In the first year?

In first five years?

It's like going down the street and buying a $500,000 home cash with a Ferrari in the garage paid for, and then burning the house to the ground.......

Good thing you took Fudges advice and told SWA to drop dead.......

 

[yoyoma]

disregard the outsiders please.

 

[PropPiedmont]

I have a feeling it'll pass 80% on the SWA side too. The road shows better be good.

 

[humveedriver]

So you gained a tiny bit of seniority.....

Wanna guess in dollars what your inability to vote on the first go round cost you......

In the first year?

In first five years?

It's like going down the street and buying a $500,000 home cash with a Ferrari in the garage paid for, and then burning the house to the ground.......

Good thing you took Fudges advice and told SWA to drop dead.......

Sacha, I personally do not feel like the first AIP would have passed the SWA side. I went up a little over 70 numbers. I'm fine with that. I think this deal has some merits over the last. Your senior FO's are going get a chance to upgrade in the 737. Our 737 CA's will get a chance to bid into one of your good bases as a line holding FO if they want to and not be forced to commute to one of your junk bases as a reserve Captain. I like having the option. That little nugget will let our "seat seekers" be able to hold 717 Captain if they want it. Meaning I think enough AT Captains will voluntarily downgrade to support upgrades on both sides of the partition. SWA pilots still get the lions share of seniority. Everybody wins. If the first deal had passed, I would have had no problem taking the raise and then looking at the downgrade after banking some cash. This deal will provide me with QOL sooner (I commute). I feel fortunate that SWA bought us, there is no downside for me becaue of my age, seniority and where I choose to live. That's not the case all AT pilots. Also if the first deal had passed I think there would have been some bad blood for a while. I see less of that with this deal IMO. It's not my job to sell this deal to you or any other SWA pilot, just giving some perspective.

 

[yoyoma]

it will pass at swa because of the whiney bltch lance captains who will get to upgrade and the junior captains who will get off reserve. they are a very vocal group...see ta1

 

[Ty Webb]

So you gained a tiny bit of seniority.....

Wanna guess in dollars what your inability to vote on the first go round cost you......

In the first year?

In first five years?

It's like going down the street and buying a $500,000 home cash with a Ferrari in the garage paid for, and then burning the house to the ground.......

Good thing you took Fudges advice and told SWA to drop dead.......

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Sacha,

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

If your life isn't as sad as it is starting to appear, go live it, and quit threatening, bullying
and harrassing pilots who will be 20 years junior to you.

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah Sacha. Time to stop posting. You're making us look bad and seem pretty well out of control this last month.

But be clear, this isn't a win for 80,000# and junior FOs - sl9 was better for us- by about 200 #'s -
That said--- Occam's Razor- this is definitely simpler, and that's a good thing.

 

[SWA717]

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Sacha,

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

If your life isn't as sad as it is starting to appear, go live it, and quit threatening, bullying
and harrassing pilots who will be 20 years junior to you.

+1. Sacha is about to be the first person to make my ignore list.

 

[Sacha]

After reviewing many of your posts since SWA announced exactly a year ago that we were buying Air tran, I would have to ask you Ty, where did all the smug, cocky, arrogance from you go to?......I started posting about 2 months ago on my snazzy new Ipad because lurking for the past year and not replying to your BS along with PCL,Kharma and other of your Tranny ALPA guys was too difficult. Everyone here can remember when you guys bashed and belittled everything about SWA your little brains could think of. You smirked behind your keyboard when other trolls from other airlines joined in and egged you guys on and slung the crap at SWA and it's employees as well... And you now have the balz to act hurt and offended when many of us threw the sh&$t right back at you? Really? Especially since most of us know exactly your names,employee number and positions at ALPA. Puffing your chest out and slinging your sh&$t may impress the nutcase OYS/Gen Lee and Fudgepacker, Lumberg, etc. but from what I hear from the ex trannys I am flying with, you and your ALPA buddies ain't so popular with your fellow critters...

 

[Sacha]

Yeah Sacha. Time to stop posting. You're making us look bad and seem pretty well out of control this last month.

But be clear, this isn't a win for 80,000# and junior FOs - sl9 was better for us- by about 200 #'s -
That said--- Occam's Razor- this is definitely simpler, and that's a good thing.

Wave,

Do you want me to repost a sampling of your stuff from earlier this month? Are you the arbiter now of what a SWA guy can say or not say? Hypocrite.

Waveflyer starts a thread entitled, "Can PCL Fly? A brief history of Todd O"
hmmm...care to comment? 8/29/11

You said you were getting off the forum for a few months.....that lasted all of...4 or 5 days.......

I can repost it here if you like in case you forgot......

 

[Sacha]

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Sacha,

The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

If your life isn't as sad as it is starting to appear, go live it, and quit threatening, bullying
and harrassing pilots who will be 20 years junior to you.

1. I haven't gained anything. Not a nickel.
2. Life is awesome here at SWA.
3. I didn't threaten or harrass you in my post. I just asked 2 questions which you won't answer and then made a statement of FACT in terms that even you might understand.

 

[humveedriver]

Sacha,

I think you're a bit of a FI addict. I've perused this site for over 10 years and have 165 posts plus another 25 or so when you could log on as a "guest". You have already doubled that in two months. It's supposed to be fun, occsionally informative and sometimes a place to debate. But you are like the addict who gets ahold of the drug and can't handle it. Most of your obsession is with pilot posters not involved with the merger! That's your sign right there. Put the pipe down for a little bit.

 

[boeing717]

Especially since most of us know exactly your names,employee number and positions at ALPA. Puffing your chest out and slinging your sh&$t may impress the nutcase OYS/Gen Lee and Fudgepacker, Lumberg, etc. but from what I hear from the ex trannys I am flying with, you and your ALPA buddies ain't so popular with your fellow critters...

You are correct but you do not need to tell anybody that. Everybody at Airtran knows them and knows they will be hated at SWA like they are here. You can take the animal out of the jungle but you cannot take the jungle out of the animal. It will take a while but SWA will find out what they got with this group. I do not know some of them but as far as Lear70 and Ty Webb goes they are known and SWA will know them as well.
I forgot one of the other big loser at Airtran, PCL.

 

[Sacha]

Sacha,

I think you're a bit of a FI addict. I've perused this site for over 10 years and have 165 posts plus another 25 or so when you could log on as a "guest". You have already doubled that in two months. It's supposed to be fun, occsionally informative and sometimes a place to debate. But you are like the addict who gets ahold of the drug and can't handle it. Most of your obsession is with pilot posters not involved with the merger! That's your sign right there. Put the pipe down for a little bit.

I am using Waveflyer as my benchmark....

Over 4700 posts in 6.5 years.....

Over 60 a month.....

 

[OK3]

Sacha,

Come on man. The AAI guys were given a certain expectation of the way this integration would work out for them. SL 10 is a huge disappointment to their pilot group, whether you think it is fair or not. Have some compassion, or at the very least a little respect. We are going to be working together for a long time, so quit poking them in the eye!

 

[Devil Dawg]

Hopefully a tough year is almost over. Lets vote and get on with it. Trannies wanted relative SWA wanted a staple and we have something in the middle. I'm sure many aren't real happy but that may be a sign of a good integration. In a few weeks we will probably all be SWAPA and I'd like to welcome AirTran aboard buy you a beer on and overnight and move on!!

 

[Ty Webb]

You are correct but you do not need to tell anybody that. Everybody at Airtran knows them and knows they will be hated at SWA like they are here. You can take the animal out of the jungle but you cannot take the jungle out of the animal. It will take a while but SWA will find out what they got with this group. I do not know some of them but as far as Lear70 and Ty Webb goes they are known and SWA will know them as well.
I forgot one of the other big loser at Airtran, PCL.

By now everyone knows who you are, too. You have made quite a name for yourself on our own message board these past few months, and not in a good way. Threatening our own pilots? You seem to be coming unhinged. Hope you can hold it together and get some help, before you do something muy estupido, Senor P.

 

[boeing717]

By now everyone knows who you are, too. You have made quite a name for yourself on our own message board these past few months, and not in a good way. Threatening our own pilots? You seem to be coming unhinged. Hope you can hold it together and get some help, before you do something muy estupido, Senor P.

You keep thinking that. Everybody knows you and that is what is important. SWA just needs to know what they are getting with you and the others. Have a good day.

 

[Ty Webb]

Unmasked in just 50 posts. That's gotta be a record. . . . . . :laugh:

 

[SWA717]

Sacha,
I think most guys see this passing on both sides and we are all ready to bury the hatchet.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You guys ever think people like Sacka are the reason OYS, the Gen. and I chimed in on this issue in the first place?

You really need to curb your dog.

 

[waveflyer]

I am using Waveflyer as my benchmark....

Over 4700 posts in 6.5 years.....

Over 60 a month.....

So you wanna take me on huh? Alright.

Let's look at that PCL thread- I got personal to one guy, got called out for it, relaxed, thought it out, and I apologized- you're still angry and calling out everyone pretty rabidly. I just don't see your point. When I post I try to have a point.
Now you're getting called out. You gonna man up and relax or keep fighting a battle that isn't going on anymore.

The only thing left now is to study up and vote your conscience. There are no lasting enemies here- just differences of opinions on important issues between people who will be on the same team. Get it? This group gets integrated, and there are no RSW pilots, just Swapa pilots.

 

[Sacha]

You guys ever think people like Sacka are the reason OYS, the Gen. and I chimed in on this issue in the first place?

You really need to curb your dog.

So you wanna take me on huh? Alright.

Let's look at that PCL thread- I got personal to one guy, got called out for it, relaxed, thought it out, and I apologized- you're still angry and calling out everyone pretty rabidly. I just don't see your point. When I post I try to have a point.
Now you're getting called out. You gonna man up and relax or keep fighting a battle that isn't going on anymore.

The only thing left now is to study up and vote your conscience. There are no lasting enemies here- just differences of opinions on important issues between people who will be on the same team. Get it? This group gets integrated, and there are no RSW pilots, just Swapa pilots.

Fudgepacker,
You and your buddies were slamming and insulting SWA and SWA pilots long before I ever started posting on FI. Nice try though....ironically, it was specifically because of you and your multiple personality friend OYS/Gen Lee that I started posting to begin with.

Wave, all my in your face posts don't come close to your Bio of PCL. I knew that and more from the former Airtran guys I fly with, but I sure as hell wouldn't take that kind of cheap shot...Get off your Ghandi high horse....

 

[PCL_128]

Wave apologized, and I accepted. Water under the bridge. Ancient history. Don't use that to try to justify your campaign of AirTran hate.

 

[texman]

Where is Kharma and my Ice cream!?